From forens-owner Wed Nov 3 09:47:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA3EleM7029024 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iA3EldJc029023 for forens-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:47:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: <8A8F2B3AD27F454695C6129172BD2E4C02BF88FC@dps-sphqasmail1.ps.state.me.us> From: "Hicks, Gretchen D" To: "Forens-l (E-mail)" Subject: [forens] Acid / base bombs Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 09:46:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Good morning all. We are looking into adding acid / base bomb analysis to our menu of services. If anyone has protocols for dealing with this type of evidence, could get copies? Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Gretchen D. Hicks Forensic Chemist II Maine State Police Crime Laboratory 26 Hospital St. Augusta, ME 04333 P: 207-624-7028 F: 207-624-7123 "There is no such thing as a bad day when there is a door knob on the inside." --- Former Vietnam prisoner-of-war, Paul E. Galanti [EndPost by "Hicks, Gretchen D" ] From forens-owner Fri Nov 5 09:22:26 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA5EMQM7008691 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iA5EMQhV008690 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:22:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: cbasten owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:22:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher J. Basten" To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] forwarded message Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Buckleton, John" Subject: Fuller brand boltcutters Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:05:52 +1300 Dear colleagues, Does anyone know how Fuller brand boltcutters are made? John Buckleton ESR (The New Zealand Forensic Science Service) PB 92021 Auckland New Zealand Ph +64 +9 8153-904 Fax +64 +9 8496-046 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WARNING: This email and any attachments may be confidential and/or privileged. They are intended for the addressee only and are not to be read, used, copied or disseminated by anyone receiving them in error. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by return email and delete this message and any attachments. 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Basten" ] From forens-owner Fri Nov 5 09:23:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA5EN4M7008747 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iA5EN43R008746 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:23:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: cbasten owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:23:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher J. Basten" To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] forwarded message Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Re: [forens] Acid / base bombs From: Jenny.Smith@mshp.dps.mo.gov Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 07:35:00 -0600 Mike Trimpe, Hamilton Co, Coroner's lab, has done a lot of work and presentations on acid/foil bombs. His email is trimpegolf@hotmail.com. Basically he suggests: Silver Nitrate spot tests for Chloride pH paper on liquid for acidity Elemental analysis (SEM EDX) of dried residue for Al and Cl SEM-EDX of foil for Aluminum Jenny Smith, Criminalist III Missouri State Highway Patrol Crime Lab 1510 East Elm Street Jefferson City, MO 65101 ph: 573-526-6134 ex 282 "Hicks, Gretchen D" To: "Forens-l (E-mail)" maine.gov> cc: Sent by: Subject: [forens] Acid / base bombs owner-forens@statg en.ncsu.edu 11/03/2004 08:46 AM Please respond to forens Good morning all. We are looking into adding acid / base bomb analysis to our menu of services. If anyone has protocols for dealing with this type of evidence, could get copies? Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Gretchen D. Hicks Forensic Chemist II Maine State Police Crime Laboratory 26 Hospital St. Augusta, ME 04333 P: 207-624-7028 F: 207-624-7123 "There is no such thing as a bad day when there is a door knob on the inside." --- Former Vietnam prisoner-of-war, Paul E. Galanti [EndPost by "Hicks, Gretchen D" ] [EndPost by "Christopher J. Basten" ] From forens-owner Mon Nov 8 14:47:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iA8JljM7027020 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iA8JljiD027019 for forens-outgoing; Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:47:45 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Server-Uuid: 2FE86496-99AB-4F57-9D02-99DB63D2D044 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.4 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:47:18 -0800 From: "Geoff Bruton" To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] Dust Impressions MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 6D9112C41KO1036915-01-01 Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id iA8JliM7027014 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Dear List, The following is from a colleague of mine who works in the Trace Evidence Section. Please post all replies to her directly (and to the List if you wish) at: Helen.Griffin@mail.co.ventura.ca.us Many thanks, and best wishes to all, Geoff. >>>> There was a paper written about using the static from glass and fur to lift a dust impression onto mylar film. Does anyone have the citation? Does anyone know of any other improvisations for dust impression lifting other than the stun gun? Helen Griffin >>>> Geoff Bruton Ventura County Sheriff's Department Forensic Sciences Laboratory Firearms & Toolmarks Section (805) 477-7266 [EndPost by "Geoff Bruton" ] From forens-owner Fri Nov 12 14:16:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iACJGNM7014517 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iACJGNOY014516 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:16:23 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: cbasten owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:16:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher J. Basten" To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] forwarded message: LCN DNA and VMD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Gerrit Volckeryck" Subject: LCN DNA and VMD Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:08:36 +0100 Dear list, In a high profile case I was asked if it would be possible to perform a Low Copy Number DNA analysis on a plastic bag after it has been examined for fingerprints with Vacuum Metal (gold and zinc) Deposition. Does anyone has any experience with that ? Any literature ? thanks Gerrit Volckeryck Commissaris Gerechtelijke Dienst Brussel Laboratorium voor Technische en Wetenschappelijke Politie Simon Bolivarlaan 30/7 1000 Brussel tel. 02/208.48.48 fax. 02/208.34.99 gerrit.volckeryck@scarlet.be gerrit.volckeryck.5696@police.be --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by "Christopher J. Basten" ] From forens-owner Fri Nov 12 14:56:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iACJutM7016017 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iACJutcx016016 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:56:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Server-Uuid: 2FE86496-99AB-4F57-9D02-99DB63D2D044 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.4 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:56:23 -0800 From: "James Roberts" cc: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu, Forensic_SEM@yahoogroups.com Subject: [forens] Reminder About 2004 YPG Test session MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 6D8BCAFD1KO1306735-01-01 Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id iACJusM7016011 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu To all interested in the YPG Forensic Test Session; This is just a reminder that the 2004 YPG Forensic Test session is fast approaching. Dec. 3rd is about 3 weeks. If you plan to attend at all you must have let Bill Morris know before Thanks Giving, if you are a new attendee or have moved or changed jobs, you have to have provided him with current security information by then. He will also need a list of firearms and ammunition from anyone bringing them onto the base by Nov. 23rd as well. AZMorris@AOL.com If you are doing an experiment be sure you have all necessary information to me by Nov. 23rd as well. For those doing radar I will need: Caliber, Firearm, departure angle, ammo make, code #, lot #,bullet type, bullet weight (grains), bullet weight (grams), bullet diameter (mm), expected muzzle velocity and time of flight. I will also need to know what fixtures you will need constructed at YPG to make your experiment work so we can let the carpenters there know in advance. James.Roberts@mail.co.ventura.ca.us If you are doing photo work I will need Caliber and firearm, type of test (ejection, ricochet, impact, etc.) as well as fixture info. We will be asking all Photo experimenters to try to cut their experiments to about 12 shots or less to allow as many people to work as possible. If we have additional time we will then go back to pick up additional shots for those that want them. We only have 1/2 the time to work this year and more requests for camera time than we can fit. Please have all of your equipment and materials ready and your plan to put them up ready as well, so that we can shorten setup time to a minimum. Jim James L. Roberts Firearm & Toolmark Examiner Ventura Co. Sheriff's Lab 800 S. Victoria Ave. Ventura, CA. 93009 (805) 654-2308 James.Roberts@mail.co.ventura.ca.us [EndPost by "James Roberts" ] From forens-owner Fri Nov 12 15:14:05 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iACKE5M7016931 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iACKE5UL016930 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:14:05 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:13:58 -0500 From: Gc4nsic@aol.com To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] Copper recovered from gas tanks MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6456D275.21B023BB.00166853@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 199.20.121.93 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Has anyone had any experience or cases coming into your crime lab where copper fibers were recovered from an automobile gasoline tank? It appears the copper fibers are clogging up the filters and causing problems for the owners. NJ seems to be getting in quite few cases over the last several months. [EndPost by Gc4nsic@aol.com] From forens-owner Tue Nov 16 12:49:46 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAGHnkM7003459 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:49:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iAGHnkTJ003458 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:49:46 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: [forens] job posting Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:48:00 -0700 Message-ID: <5A866AA333A83A4BBA4BBF73727EEA8505001FA6@doaisd03001.state.mt.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Disposition-Notification-To: "Long, Julie" Thread-Topic: job posting X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Thread-Index: AcTMBGoyZJPJnJGhT2WrwkBEI5e8kw== From: "Long, Julie" To: X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id iAGHnkM7003460 Attached is an abbreviated job posting for our DNA technical leader. <> Julie Long Montana State Crime Lab Quality Manager 406-329-1132 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html application/msword --- [EndPost by "Long, Julie" ] From forens-owner Tue Nov 16 13:40:36 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAGIeaM7004915 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iAGIeaE9004913 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:40:36 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: [forens] job posting problems Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:40:09 -0700 Message-ID: <5A866AA333A83A4BBA4BBF73727EEA8505001FA9@doaisd03001.state.mt.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Disposition-Notification-To: "Long, Julie" Thread-Topic: job posting problems X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Thread-Index: AcTMC7MP0DbiaIJlRT6tZS39GBDo5g== From: "Long, Julie" To: X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id iAGIeaM7004916 Sorry for the attachment problem. The info for the DNA technical leader position at the Montana State Crime Lab can be viewed on the Montana State website under employment. www.state.mt.us. Julie Long Montana State Crime Lab Quality Manager 406-329-1132 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by "Long, Julie" ] From forens-owner Tue Nov 16 21:39:16 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAH2dGM7012738 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:39:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iAH2dFuo012737 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:39:15 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: <419AB9B8.6DCF73A8@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:08:48 +0530 From: Professor Anil Aggrawal Organization: S-299 Greater Kailash-1, New Delhi-110048, India X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Forensic Newsgroup (main)" Subject: [forens] Death at full term pregnancy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu 17 November 2004 Dear List, I heard about an interesting case yesterday. A 33 year old full term pregnant lady (married for ten years and having two young children, both delivered by caesarian section) was brought to a private nursing home, where she was given packed cells for some reason (perhaps anemia). Soon after the packed cells were started, the woman started sweating and feeling uncomfortable in general. The packed cells were immediately stopped and she was rushed to a government hospital, but she died on the way. What do you think is the cause of death and how should this case have been investigated? The young doctor who conducted the postmortem examination started with the presumption that there would be a rupture of the uterus, but there was none. According to him, there were no other significant postmortem findings. If such a case comes in future, how should he proceed in such a case. Specifically what are the findings to be expected in a mismatched blood transfusion and amniotic fluid embolism. And how should such cases be investigated. Should he have asked for blood typing of the woman and asked the police to seize the remaining packet of red blood cells. Please enlighten. Thanks. Sincerely Professor Anil Aggrawal Professor of Forensic Medicine Maulana Azad Medical College S-299 Greater Kailash-1 New Delhi-110048 INDIA Phone: 26465460, 26413101 Email:dr_anil@hotmail.com Page me via ICQ #19727771 Websites: 1. Anil Aggrawal's Websites http://www.geradts.com/~anil 2. Anil Aggrawal's Internet Journal of Forensic Medicine and Toxicology http://www.geradts.com/~anil/ij/indexpapers.html 3. Book reviews of latest forensic books/journals/software/multimedia http://www.geradts.com/~anil/ij/sundry/reviews/publishers/pub001.html 4. Anil Aggrawal's Forensic Toxicology Page http://members.tripod.com/~Prof_Anil_Aggrawal/index.html 5. Anil Aggrawal's Popular Forensic Medicine Page http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/williamson/235 6. Anil Aggrawal's Internet Journal of Book Reviews http://www.geradts.com/~anil/br/index.html 7. Forensic Careers http://www.fortunecity.com/campus/electrical/314/career.html 8. Join Anil Aggrawal's Criminal Poisoning forum at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cr_po *Many people ask me why I chose Forensic Medicine as a career, and I tell them that it is because a forensic man gets the honor of being called when the top doctors have failed!* `\|||/ (@@) ooO (_) Ooo________________________________ _____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| ___|____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|____ _____|_____Please pardon the intrusion_|____|_____ [EndPost by Professor Anil Aggrawal ] From forens-owner Wed Nov 17 13:29:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAHITtM7027975 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iAHITtZs027974 for forens-outgoing; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:29:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: [forens] Death at full term pregnancy MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.12 February 13, 2003 Message-ID: From: EColquhoun@monroecounty.gov Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:30:34 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on MCNOTES4/Monroe(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 11/17/2004 01:30:42 PM, Serialize complete at 11/17/2004 01:30:42 PM X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Professor, I previously worked in a hospital laboratory for over 12 years, including bloodbanking. As part of an 'adverse reaction work-up', all blood typing (blood type determination, antibody screen, crossmatch, perhaps a Direct Coombs) procedures would be repeated on the sample from the blood recipient used to perform the cross-match (called pre-transfusion sample); on the unit that was crossmatched, and a new specimen (post-transfusion) from the blood recipient. Results from a work up would be varied, depending on the cause of the reaction. What a sad story. I am very curious as to why the woman was transfused in the first place. Most hospitals here in the US have transfusion criteria that must be met, the most obvious being actively bleeding or a hematocrit of less than 28 or so. Perhaps the AABB (American Association of Bloodbanking) can help. Website is (I think) www.aabb.org Ellyn Colquhoun Forensic Biologist II Monroe County Crime Lab Rochester, NY 14614 585.428.5678 Professor Anil Aggrawal Sent by: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu 11/16/2004 09:38 PM Please respond to forens To: "Forensic Newsgroup (main)" cc: Subject: [forens] Death at full term pregnancy 17 November 2004 Dear List, I heard about an interesting case yesterday. A 33 year old full term pregnant lady (married for ten years and having two young children, both delivered by caesarian section) was brought to a private nursing home, where she was given packed cells for some reason (perhaps anemia). Soon after the packed cells were started, the woman started sweating and feeling uncomfortable in general. The packed cells were immediately stopped and she was rushed to a government hospital, but she died on the way. What do you think is the cause of death and how should this case have been investigated? The young doctor who conducted the postmortem examination started with the presumption that there would be a rupture of the uterus, but there was none. According to him, there were no other significant postmortem findings. If such a case comes in future, how should he proceed in such a case. Specifically what are the findings to be expected in a mismatched blood transfusion and amniotic fluid embolism. And how should such cases be investigated. Should he have asked for blood typing of the woman and asked the police to seize the remaining packet of red blood cells. Please enlighten. Thanks. Sincerely Professor Anil Aggrawal Professor of Forensic Medicine Maulana Azad Medical College S-299 Greater Kailash-1 New Delhi-110048 INDIA Phone: 26465460, 26413101 Email:dr_anil@hotmail.com Page me via ICQ #19727771 Websites: 1. Anil Aggrawal's Websites http://www.geradts.com/~anil 2. 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Join Anil Aggrawal's Criminal Poisoning forum at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cr_po *Many people ask me why I chose Forensic Medicine as a career, and I tell them that it is because a forensic man gets the honor of being called when the top doctors have failed!* `\|||/ (@@) ooO (_) Ooo________________________________ _____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| ___|____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|____ _____|_____Please pardon the intrusion_|____|_____ [EndPost by Professor Anil Aggrawal ] --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by EColquhoun@monroecounty.gov] From forens-owner Thu Nov 18 09:24:58 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAIEOrM7019614 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iAIEOrYw019613 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:24:53 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.243.99.23] X-Originating-Email: [stephenmberns@hotmail.com] X-Sender: stephenmberns@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200411180459.iAI4x0XC012571@sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu> From: "Stephen Berns" To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] RE: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:22:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2004 14:24:36.0361 (UTC) FILETIME=[54ADFF90:01C4CD7A] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Dear Professor Anil Aggrawal, I had an autopsy case of a twenty five year old woman with amniotic fluid embolism a few years ago. We were able to make the diagnosis by examining histologic sections of the lung for fetal tissue. During this case, I reviewed the literature, which was quite interesting. This can be caused by tears in the cervix, which allow the amniotic liquor to travel into the lungs and cause a coagulatative process with a subsequent DIC like picture. Some authors have suggested that the diagnosis can be made premortem by right heart catheterization and microscopic examination of the blood for fetal tissue. We did not find a tear in the cervix at autopsy. The foci of fetal tissue were difficult to find in the lung sections, so some authors have suggested submitting multiple sections of the lungs to find the fetal tissue. Most subspeciality lung books and placenta books contain about a page of information on this (Churg, Benirschke). It is very rare. I hope this helps. Regards, Stephen Berns, MD Pathology Resident PGY4 Orlando, FL USA >17 November 2004 >Dear List, >I heard about an interesting case yesterday. A 33 year old full term >pregnant lady (married for ten years and having two young children, both >delivered by caesarian section) was brought to a private nursing home, >where she was given packed cells for some reason (perhaps anemia). Soon >after the packed cells were started, the woman started sweating and >feeling uncomfortable in general. The packed cells were immediately >stopped and she was rushed to a government hospital, but she died on the >way. > >What do you think is the cause of death and how should this case have >been investigated? The young doctor who conducted the postmortem >examination started with the presumption that there would be a rupture >of the uterus, but there was none. According to him, there were no other >significant postmortem findings. > >If such a case comes in future, how should he proceed in such a case. >Specifically what are the findings to be expected in a mismatched blood >transfusion and amniotic fluid embolism. And how should such cases be >investigated. Should he have asked for blood typing of the woman and >asked the police to seize the remaining packet of red blood cells. > >Please enlighten. > >Thanks. > >Sincerely >Professor Anil Aggrawal >Professor of Forensic Medicine >Maulana Azad Medical College >S-299 Greater Kailash-1 >New Delhi-110048 >INDIA >Phone: 26465460, 26413101 >Email:dr_anil@hotmail.com >Page me via ICQ #19727771 >Websites: > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ [EndPost by "Stephen Berns" ]