From forens-owner Fri Jul 1 09:18:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j61DI6cW008715 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j61DI6rI008714 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:18:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: cbasten owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:18:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher J. Basten" To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] forward from [] (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:03:30 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [forens] DNA Analysis/Crime Scene Hands on Courses Tim, Do you have your Bachelor's degree? If so, I am just starting a Master in Forensic Sciences program at National University in San Diego. I know that they offer online classes and also onsite classes in many parts of California, including L.A. Their website is www.nu.edu. Also, UCDavis has a Master's program. Hope this helps. Have a great day. Mary Ann Mulawka [EndPost by "Christopher J. Basten" ] From forens-owner Fri Jul 1 09:18:38 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j61DIccW008766 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j61DIceI008765 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:18:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: cbasten owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:18:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher J. Basten" To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] forward from ["David M. Epstein" ] (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id j61DIbcW008760 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Re: [forens] Job Opportunity @ NFSTC From: "David M. Epstein" Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:14:41 +0000 GMT Please note an error in the posting. The experience required is 3 years minimum. I apologize for the confusion. David Epstein -----Original Message----- From: LeonStein@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:50:01 To:forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Cc:liz.yourkievitz@nfstc.org Subject: [forens] Job Opportunity @ NFSTC Please post this or share it with anyone who may be interested AND who meets the qualifications, Thanks, David Epstein National Forensic Science Technology Center, Inc. Largo, FL Employment Opportunity: Physical Scientist – Analytical Chemist POSITION DETAILS The position is responsible to function as a technical resource for forensic analytical chemistry through laboratory expertise, including conduct of chemical and physical laboratory tests of solid materials, liquids, and gases, as well as observation, data analysis and result interpretation. Incumbent will maintain NFSTC laboratories and participate as a team member for designated scientific work teams and outreach programs through technical support and assigned program activities. Position also functions as the Safety Officer for the organization including coordination of safety training. Anticipated responsibility allocation is expected as follows: Lab Support 70% Provide oversight and hands-on delivery of laboratory testing in the area of forensic chemistry, including but not limited to: · Design, carryout, document, and review experiments and make recommendations for approval of validation test methods. Prepare chemical and biological samples for testing. Test and analyze materials and substances such as ignitable liquids, controlled substances, polymers, biological materials, and physical items. Interpret and document results of tests and analyses. · Lead the Laboratory QA program under the guidance of the Laboratory Manager. Draft, implement, revise and maintain the laboratory quality manual. Design and implement laboratory logbooks. · Set up and perform maintenance on laboratory equipment and instrumentation required for tests, or instruction including troubleshooting, repair, tuning, calibrations, and running controls. Instruction and demonstration of instrumentation and scientific analysis techniques; Maintain stocks of chemicals, general laboratory wares, and test kits. Purchase supplies for laboratory. Arrange for transport and proper disposal for chemical and biological waste. · Cross-train for support in other forensic science disciplines (specifically DNA) as necessitated by program delivery requirements. Project Work Team Support 15 % · Participate in scientific work teams as forensic technical resource and contribute to program/presentation delivery process to include but not limited to presentations, posters, etc. (including public speaking presentations) and development and delivery of laboratory training to NFSTC staff & stakeholders as directed. Safety Program 15 % Maintain and oversee the NFSTC Safety Program including but not limited to: · Review/Revision of Workplace Safety Plans; Exposure Control Plan; & Chemical Hygiene Plans. · Coordinate safety training for all employees - including orientation for new hires and safety presentations/training; Participate in safety classes/workshops. · Maintain Safety Manual and maintain safety related compliance records, including MSDS, investigations, inspections, etc. Perform routine safety inspections & investigate unsafe work practices. EDUCATION & EXPERIENCE · Bachelor’s degree in Chemistry, Biochemistry, Forensic Science or related field required. · Minimum five (3) years of broad experience in analytical chemistry in a forensic science testing laboratory. · American Board of Criminalistics certification preferred. PROFESSIONAL & TECHNICAL SKILLS · Awareness of guidelines and standards for OSHA and laboratory safety requirements required. Certification or documented experience as a Safety Officer or member of a Safety Program team preferred. · Demonstrated experience in project team participation for design, development, and delivery of technical documentation (such as procedures & protocols), laboratory training, or scientific presentations. · Standard office software (Microsoft Office Suite preferred) and Technical Laboratory instrumentation principles and software proficiency to include but not limited to GC/MS (Varian preferred), FTIR, HPLC, & UV Spectrophotometry. PROFESSIONAL COMPETENCIES The incumbent must have excellent attention to detail; effective interpersonal skills for positive communication with all levels of personnel, clients and vendors; dynamic customer service skills; proven ability to interact constructively as a team member and work independently; and demonstrated proficiency for performance of multi-task activities and short-notice deadlines. BENEFITS & COMPENSATION This is a full time, exempt level position at NFSTC with eligibility for the NFSTC health and retirement benefits package. The position pay grade is equivalent to the federal GS locality pay scale RUS-10 (_http://www.opm.gov/oca/05tables/html/RUS.asp_ (http://www.opm.gov/oca/05tables/html/RUS.asp) ) Qualified candidates should forward a message indicating interest and attach a resume via e-mail to_liz.yourkievitz@nfstc.org_ (mailto:liz.yourkievitz@nfstc.org) or fax to 727-549-6070 by 5 PM EDT, July 22, 2005. NFSTC utilizes Equal Employment Opportunity guidelines. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by LeonStein@aol.com] David Epstein Chief Scientist, NFSTC National Forensic Science Technology Center® Science Serving Justice www.NFSTC.org 7881  114th Avenue N Largo, FL 33773 Tel: 727-549-6067 ext. 110 Fax: 727-549-6070 David.Epstein@nfstc.org [EndPost by "Christopher J. Basten" ] From forens-owner Fri Jul 1 10:59:36 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j61ExZcW011613 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j61ExZJ6011612 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:59:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [203.101.18.63] X-Originating-Email: [dr_anil@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dr_anil@hotmail.com From: "Professor Anil Aggrawal" To: "Forensic Newsgroup" Subject: [forens] protocol for dissection in a disintegrated and maggot infested body Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:27:02 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2096 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2096 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2005 14:59:25.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[78CD7700:01C57E4D] X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id j61ExacW011614 Dear List, Can someone tell me, what is the usual protocol of dissection in cases, where a body is brought by the police, which is badly disintegrated and infested with maggots? In this country, the usual protocol is that the pathologist would preferably first take samples of maggots and insect eggs, and then put the body away in a tank containing weak carbolic acid (lysol) to soften the earth and get the clothing away without disintegration. A day of weak carbolic acid bath also kills the maggots making the subsequent dissection a lot easier. Please let me know if this is the correct protocol, and what protocol is being followed in other parts of the world. Thanks. Sincerely, Professor Anil Aggrawal Professor of Forensic Medicine Maulana Azad Medical College S-299 Greater Kailash-1 New Delhi-110048 INDIA Phone: 26465460, 26413101 http://www.geradts.com/anil dr_anil@hotmail.com *Many people ask me why I chose Forensic Medicine as a career, and I tell them that it is because a forensic man gets the honor of being called when the top doctors have failed!* `\|||/ (@@) ooO (_) Ooo________________________________ _____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| ___|____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|____ _____|_____Please pardon the intrusion_|____|_____ --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by "Professor Anil Aggrawal" ] From forens-owner Fri Jul 1 17:10:56 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j61LAucW016502 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j61LAunU016501 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:10:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: "Robert Parsons" To: Subject: RE: [forens] Rubber pellets Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:17:00 -0400 Keywords: Discussion lists Organization: Indian River Crime Laboratory Message-ID: <000901c57e82$38f4e930$8d00a8c0@IRRCL.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <42BFD32B.00000A.02224@PENTIUM4> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2005 21:10:53.0489 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D864A10:01C57E81] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id j61LAucW016496 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Querido Dr. Scatena, You may be having trouble because your citation is slightly off. The correct citation is: Missliwetz J, Lindermann A.; Gunshot wounds caused by Fiocchi Anticrime cartridges (plastic bullets); Am J Forensic Med Pathol. 1991 Sep;12(3):209-12. You can order a reprint of this article through the National Library of Medicine's "LoneSome Doc" service, which will find a medical library possessing a copy of the journal issue you need, and put you in contact with them. You will then be asked to pay whatever fee the library charges (including a copyright fee), and they will send you a copy of the article. Here is the citation for this paper on the NLM's "PubMed" web site from which you can order the paper. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Ab stract&list_uids=1836299&query_hl=2 Click on the checkbox next to the paper title, go to the "send to" menu on the bottom and click on "order." You will then be taken to the LoneSome Doc web site to order the paper. Registration is required. To get to LoneSome Doc directly, use this link: https://docline.gov/loansome/login.cfm ¡Buena suerte! Bob Parsons, F-ABC Forensic Chemist Indian River Crime Laboratory Ft. Pierce, FL -----Original Message----- From: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu [mailto:owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu] On Behalf Of Dr. Adolfo Scatena Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 6:22 AM To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] Rubber pellets To list members: I am looking after this article: Misslietz,J. and Lindermann, A Gunshot wounds caused by Fiocchi Anti-crime Cartridges. Am J. Forensic. Med Tah, 12(3) 209-212, 1991 Unfortunately the page of the American Journal goes up to 1961 as does several other pages of the Web were I investigated. I would appreciate if any of the members could provide my with a reprint or copy of this paper. I am willing to pay for it. Or in the other hand direct me where to look for. Thankfully Dr Adolfo Scatena medico forense 2a. Circunscripcion Judicial Prov de Rio Negro, Argentina --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif image/gif --- [EndPost by "Dr. Adolfo Scatena" ] [EndPost by "Robert Parsons" ] From forens-owner Fri Jul 1 20:26:28 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j620QScW018763 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j620QRtV018762 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 20:26:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:26:07 -0300 From: "Dr. Adolfo Scatena" Subject: [forens] TK for your help To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Message-id: <42C5DF1F.000003.03300@PENTIUM4> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001874) X-Priority: 3 X-FID: 600782CF-D705-4E67-8D28-F8D7E2EE6192 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0526-4, 01/07/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-imss-version: 2.028 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-scores: Clean:16.51365 C:2 M:3 S:5 R:5 X-imss-settings: Baseline:2 C:2 M:2 S:2 R:2 (0.1500 0.1500) X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: Text/Plain; charset=Windows-1252 Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Thank you to every body that help me out with the serach of a 1991 paper.. Dr Adolfo Scatena medico forense 2a. Circunscripcion Judicial Prov de Rio Negro, Argentina --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/related multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html image/gif image/gif image/jpeg --- [EndPost by "Dr. Adolfo Scatena" ] From forens-owner Wed Jul 6 18:14:48 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j66MEmcW008107 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 18:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j66MElxE008106 for forens-outgoing; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 18:14:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050706151351.01e889d8@pop.business.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:14:52 -0700 To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu From: John Houde Subject: [forens] Second Edition of CRIME LAB almost done In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 246fc2487044e584705cf63f4d61a1dda6dc22226d729381ab887d100d060a5d49c0e3af504d1b49350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.35.174.211 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Editing on the second edition of "CRIME LAB: A Guide for Nonscientists" is just about done. The anticipated street date is Oct 1, 2005. The new edition maintains the flavor of the older book, but the sections on DNA typing, serology and firearms databases have been completely updated. In addition, we've put in no less than 60 new illustrations and photos of crime lab equipment and procedures, and three appendices with classroom materials. The ISBN is 978-0-9658286-4-2. I could go on, but I don't want to be flamed for SPAM! :-) John Houde ==================== http://www.calicopress.com books of exceptional quality [EndPost by John Houde ] From forens-owner Thu Jul 7 11:34:00 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j67FY0cW020059 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j67FY0Cj020058 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:34:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Server-Uuid: 2FE86496-99AB-4F57-9D02-99DB63D2D044 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 08:33:32 -0700 From: "James Roberts" To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: [forens] Second Edition of CRIME LAB almost done MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 6ED394D21O0527512-01-01 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu John, Do You have everything you need from me? Did you get what you wanted from FTI and the like. Don't want to leave you waiting. It's been a busy past month, AFTE in Ind. etc. and of course the triple homicide/OIS/Suicide case to work on. FTI really pushed the new 3D system at AFTE, looks like it works quite a bit better than the current 2D. But 2D is what all the labs have, and it would be extremely expensive to change so will take a long time I expect. If you still need any photos or the like let me know. Jim >>> john@calicopress.com 7/6/2005 3:14:52 PM >>> Editing on the second edition of "CRIME LAB: A Guide for Nonscientists" is just about done. The anticipated street date is Oct 1, 2005. The new edition maintains the flavor of the older book, but the sections on DNA typing, serology and firearms databases have been completely updated. In addition, we've put in no less than 60 new illustrations and photos of crime lab equipment and procedures, and three appendices with classroom materials. The ISBN is 978-0-9658286-4-2. I could go on, but I don't want to be flamed for SPAM! :-) John Houde ==================== http://www.calicopress.com books of exceptional quality [EndPost by John Houde ] [EndPost by "James Roberts" ] From forens-owner Thu Jul 7 11:42:49 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j67FgncW020633 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j67FgnaP020632 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:42:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Server-Uuid: 2FE86496-99AB-4F57-9D02-99DB63D2D044 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 08:42:15 -0700 From: "James Roberts" To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: [forens] Second Edition of CRIME LAB almost done MIME-Version: 1.0 X-WSS-ID: 6ED392E61O0528546-01-01 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu My apologies to the group on the last post, didn't mean to waste your time. I used reply to sender and didn't notice I'd gotten the wrong sender until I was letting up on the mouse key, a bit to late to stop it. Jim ==================== http://www.calicopress.com books of exceptional quality [EndPost by John Houde ] [EndPost by "James Roberts" ] From forens-owner Thu Jul 7 12:17:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j67GH9cW021714 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j67GH9N7021713 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:17:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [203.101.16.203] X-Originating-Email: [dr_anil@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dr_anil@hotmail.com From: "Professor Anil Aggrawal" To: References: Subject: Re: [forens] Second Edition of CRIME LAB almost done Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 21:47:01 +0530 Organization: S-299 Greater Kailash-1, New Delhi-110048 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2096 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2096 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2005 16:17:02.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F555E30:01C5830F] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1";reply-type=original Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu don't worry too much about it Jim! Ooops, I pressed the wrong key too :) Anil ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Roberts" To: Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [forens] Second Edition of CRIME LAB almost done > > > My apologies to the group on the last post, didn't mean to waste your > time. I used reply to sender and didn't notice I'd gotten the wrong > sender until I was letting up on the mouse key, a bit to late to stop > it. > > Jim > > > > > > > > ==================== > http://www.calicopress.com > books of exceptional quality > > [EndPost by John Houde ] > > > [EndPost by "James Roberts" ] > [EndPost by "Professor Anil Aggrawal" ] From forens-owner Thu Jul 7 12:32:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j67GWccW022327 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j67GWcB7022326 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:32:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Subject: RE: [forens] Second Edition of CRIME LAB almost done Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:31:28 -0400 Message-ID: <6834EDC78F56C4439EF5D9B530B7F785019A3660@ATF-HQ-EXMB01.ad.msnet.atf.gov> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [forens] Second Edition of CRIME LAB almost done Thread-Index: AcWDD9Kr6nS2k9mmQDimmQ6RsP/1JwAAJJUw From: "Thompson, Robert M." To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2005 16:31:29.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[53B460A0:01C58311] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id j67GWccW022321 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu An e-mail Haiku: Quickly sent letter, Filled with important secrets, Swiftly glanced over. Horror of e-mail! Sent to public address! Curses on that mouse!! Robert M. Thompson ATF Forensic Science Laboratory 6000 Ammendale Road Ammendale, MD 20705 Desk: 240-264-3846 FAX: 240-264-1491 Robert.Thompson@atf.gov -----Original Message----- From: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu [mailto:owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu] On Behalf Of Professor Anil Aggrawal Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:17 PM To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: [forens] Second Edition of CRIME LAB almost done don't worry too much about it Jim! Ooops, I pressed the wrong key too :) Anil ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Roberts" To: Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [forens] Second Edition of CRIME LAB almost done > > > My apologies to the group on the last post, didn't mean to waste your > time. I used reply to sender and didn't notice I'd gotten the wrong > sender until I was letting up on the mouse key, a bit to late to stop > it. > > Jim > > > > > > > > ==================== > http://www.calicopress.com > books of exceptional quality > > [EndPost by John Houde ] > > > [EndPost by "James Roberts" ] > [EndPost by "Professor Anil Aggrawal" ] [EndPost by "Thompson, Robert M." ] From forens-owner Thu Jul 7 12:49:09 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j67Gn9cW022993 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j67Gn9nP022992 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 12:49:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Envelope-From: Webster@forensic-science.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 17:49 +0100 (BST) From: Webster@forensic-science.co.uk (Mark Webster) Subject: [forens] Transfer of DNA onto fingernails To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu CC: Webster@forensic-science.co.uk Message-Id: X-Ameol-Version: 2.54.2028, Windows 2000 build 2600 (Service Pack 2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu I am interested in the transfer and persistence of DNA on fingernails. There are published studies of transfer of "touch" DNA onto objects, clothing etc. By touch DNA, I mean DNA presumably derived from skin cells, sweat etc. - DNA detected in the absence of obvious body fluid staining. I've found no published work dealing with the detection of touch DNA on fingernails given direct contact with the source or contact with DNA-contaminated surfaces such as clothing. I don't expect to find such studies because the circumstances of real cases vary and it doesn't strike me this is an area where experimentation is going to provide definitive answers. However, if anyone here does know of any published studies I'd be grateful if you could point me in the right direction. Mark Webster www.forensic-science.co.uk [EndPost by Webster@forensic-science.co.uk (Mark Webster)] From forens-owner Thu Jul 7 14:26:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j67IQbcW024586 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j67IQasn024585 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 14:26:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [203.101.6.72] X-Originating-Email: [dr_anil@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dr_anil@hotmail.com From: "Professor Anil Aggrawal" To: Cc: "Guy Rutty" , "Guy Rutty" References: Subject: Re: [forens] Transfer of DNA onto fingernails Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:56:26 +0530 Organization: S-299 Greater Kailash-1, New Delhi-110048 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2096 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2096 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2005 18:26:26.0323 (UTC) FILETIME=[62B6BE30:01C58321] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1";reply-type=original Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Mark, I am directing your mail to one of the biggest authorities on DNA transfer - Professor Guy Rutty of UK. He has a number of publications on this. Regards Anil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Webster" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 10:19 PM Subject: [forens] Transfer of DNA onto fingernails > > I am interested in the transfer and persistence of DNA on fingernails. > > There are published studies of transfer of "touch" DNA onto objects, > clothing etc. By touch DNA, I mean DNA presumably derived from skin cells, > sweat etc. - DNA detected in the absence of obvious body fluid staining. > > I've found no published work dealing with the detection of touch DNA on > fingernails given direct contact with the source or contact with > DNA-contaminated surfaces such as clothing. > > I don't expect to find such studies because the circumstances of real > cases vary and it doesn't strike me this is an area where experimentation > is going to provide definitive answers. > > However, if anyone here does know of any published studies I'd be grateful > if you could point me in the right direction. > > > Mark Webster > www.forensic-science.co.uk > [EndPost by Webster@forensic-science.co.uk (Mark Webster)] > [EndPost by "Professor Anil Aggrawal" ] From forens-owner Thu Jul 7 19:31:42 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j67NVgcW001298 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j67NVfX8001297 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 19:31:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: bi492@scn.org (Chesterene Cwiklik) To: FORENSIC-SCIENCE-UK@jiscmail.ac.uk, forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] London bombings Message-Id: <20050707233454.EE4FE2B509@scn.org> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu My thoughts are with friends and colleagues in the UK. I hope that all of you and yours are well Chesterene Cwiklik -- Cwiklik & Associates 2400 6th Avenue South #257 Seattle, WA 98134 (206)623-3637 FAX (206)623-4384 [EndPost by bi492@scn.org (Chesterene Cwiklik)] From forens-owner Tue Jul 12 23:45:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6D3jecW011005 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6D3jefV011004 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:45:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: JLee833093@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:45:32 EDT Subject: [forens] Question about DNA Analyst positions in Washington, DC To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 950 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Hello! My name is Joanne and I will be an entering graduate student this fall in the forensic science program at George Washington University. I am currently looking for entry level DNA Analyst positions as well as other positions related to criminalistics and I am wondering if any of you here could recommend labs or places to which I could send my resume. Thanks for all your help! Sincerely, Joanne --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by JLee833093@aol.com] From forens-owner Wed Jul 13 09:44:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6DDiIcW019020 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6DDiIHO019019 for forens-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:44:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.15 (webedge20-101-1103-20040528) From: Lisa Hudson Organization: Total LegalNurse Consultants To: Subject: [forens] pharmacology question Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 9:44:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20050713134411.QAMN19415.lakermmtao08.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu I am looking for informaton regarding long term effects of overdose of the drug ADDERALL in children. Does anyone know if seizure activity related to overdose is a permanent injury, or will it subside over time once the drug has been discontinued? Child is 4 years of age at present. Also, if there are any physicians on the listserve that are qualified to speak to this issue at trial, please contact me at the email listed below. Thank you! Lisa Hudson, MS RN Lisa Hudson, MS, RN 6957 NW Expressway #278 Oklahoma City, Ok 73132 PH: (405)414-7005 FAX: (405)720-1884 email: LisaLegalNurse@cox.net This e-mail transmission and any attachments contain confidential information belonging to the sender, which is legally privileged. The information is intended solely for the use of the individual(s) or entity addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any copying, disclosure, distribution, or use of this e-mail and/or attachment is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please delete it from your computer system and notify Lisa Hudson at lisalegalnurse@cox.net. [EndPost by Lisa Hudson ] From forens-owner Wed Jul 13 11:21:45 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6DFLicW020990 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6DFLip9020989 for forens-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 11:21:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [203.101.16.76] X-Originating-Email: [dr_anil@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dr_anil@hotmail.com From: "Professor Anil Aggrawal" To: "Forensic Newsgroup" Subject: [forens] fixation of brain without the pungent smell of formalin Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:51:33 +0530 Organization: S-299 Greater Kailash-1, New Delhi-110048 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2096 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2096 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2005 15:21:32.0771 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CEB8B30:01C587BE] X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id j6DFLjcW020991 Dear Group, We need to preserve and fix brains to study them. Currently we do so with formalin, but they give a very pungent smell. I am aware that there are chemicals which can fix the brain without that pungent smell, but I can't recall their names. Can someone tell me please. Thanks. regards anil --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by "Professor Anil Aggrawal" ] From forens-owner Fri Jul 15 15:03:27 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6FJ3RcW007010 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6FJ3R6R007009 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:03:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: LeonStein@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.54aea4f1.30096276@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:03:18 EDT Subject: [forens] NFSTC Training Opportunity To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu CC: kathleen.savage@nfstc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id j6FJ3RcW007011 Validation and GeneMapperâ„¢ID Workshop Announcement In support of the President's DNA Initiative (PDI) -Analyst Training program, the NFSTC, is offering the opportunity for DNA analysts from publicly funded crime labs to attend and participate in a Validation and GeneMapperâ„¢ID workshop. The workshop will be held in the Tampa Bay area on August 22 - 26, 2005. This workshop is hosted by the NFSTC at no cost to participants or their laboratories. Travel arrangements and hotel accommodations are included and participants will be reimbursed at the standard government per diem for the duration of the workshop. The workshop is as follows: * Monday - Wednesday: Validation * SWGDAM Validation Guidelines * Internal Validation * Developmental Validation * Method Modifications * Practical Exercises * Thursday - Friday: GeneMapperâ„¢ID * Software Overview * Similarities/Differences to GeneScanâ„¢ and GenoTyperâ„¢ * Data Analysis * Troubleshooting Workshop Instructors: Robyn Ragsdale, PhD., Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) John Butler, PhD., National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) To be considered for participation in this workshop, The applicant must: * Be an operational DNA analyst with 3-5 years of experience * Be employed by a publicly funded crime laboratory * Have a desire to expand working knowledge of validation studies * Be employed in a laboratory that has transitioned or plans to transition to using GeneMapperâ„¢ID * Complete pre-workshop readings and exercises as requested by the workshop instructor (if any) * Be willing to actively participate in classroom discussion * Be willing to travel to attend the workshop Class size is limited. * For the application form and instructions go to: _http://www.nfstc.org/wshop_announce.htm_ (http://www.nfstc.org/wshop_announce.htm) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by LeonStein@aol.com] From forens-owner Sat Jul 16 12:57:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6GGvxcW023332 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6GGvxNJ023331 for forens-outgoing; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:57:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: cbasten owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 12:57:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher J. Basten" To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] forward Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:20:13 -0700 From: "Terry Coons" Subject: Re: [forens] NFSTC Training Opportunity Terry M. Coons, M.S. DNA Technical Leader Oregon State Police Forensic Laboratory 13309 S.E. 84th Ave., Room 200 Clackamas OR 97015 (503) 451-2256 >>> LeonStein@aol.com 07/15/05 12:03PM >>> Validation and GeneMapper*ID Workshop Announcement In support of the President's DNA Initiative (PDI) -Analyst Training program, the NFSTC, is offering the opportunity for DNA analysts from publicly funded crime labs to attend and participate in a Validation and GeneMapper*ID workshop. The workshop will be held in the Tampa Bay area on August 22 - 26, 2005. This workshop is hosted by the NFSTC at no cost to participants or their laboratories. Travel arrangements and hotel accommodations are included and participants will be reimbursed at the standard government per diem for the duration of the workshop. The workshop is as follows: * Monday - Wednesday: Validation * SWGDAM Validation Guidelines * Internal Validation * Developmental Validation * Method Modifications * Practical Exercises * Thursday - Friday: GeneMapper*ID * Software Overview * Similarities/Differences to GeneScan* and GenoTyper* * Data Analysis * Troubleshooting Workshop Instructors: Robyn Ragsdale, PhD., Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) John Butler, PhD., National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) To be considered for participation in this workshop, The applicant must: * Be an operational DNA analyst with 3-5 years of experience * Be employed by a publicly funded crime laboratory * Have a desire to expand working knowledge of validation studies * Be employed in a laboratory that has transitioned or plans to transition to using GeneMapper*ID * Complete pre-workshop readings and exercises as requested by the workshop instructor (if any) * Be willing to actively participate in classroom discussion * Be willing to travel to attend the workshop Class size is limited. * For the application form and instructions go to: _http://www.nfstc.org/wshop_announce.htm_ (http://www.nfstc.org/wshop_announce.htm) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by LeonStein@aol.com] [EndPost by "Christopher J. Basten" ] From forens-owner Sun Jul 17 09:06:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6HD6bcW004488 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6HD6bpC004487 for forens-outgoing; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 09:06:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [203.101.1.65] X-Originating-Email: [dr_anil@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dr_anil@hotmail.com From: "Professor Anil Aggrawal" To: "Forensic Newsgroup" Subject: [forens] Rigor mortis in an infant of less than 7 years Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:36:27 +0530 Organization: S-299 Greater Kailash-1, New Delhi-110048 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2096 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2096 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2005 13:06:26.0282 (UTC) FILETIME=[56BA7CA0:01C58AD0] X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id j6HD6ccW004489 Hi Dear List, In this country, since time immemorial it has been taught that rigor mortis does not occur in the body of immature fetus of less than 7 months. This fact made its appearance first in a book by J.P. Modi (considered the father of forensic medicine in India) a century ago, and from then onwards later authors have copied this fact without critical evaluation. I have examined bodies of infants less than 7 months, and I feel it does occur in younger infants, although the muscle mass is so less that it is very difficult to appreciate. What is your experience? Can you enlighten please? Regards Anil Aggrawal --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by "Professor Anil Aggrawal" ] From forens-owner Fri Jul 22 10:47:26 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6MElQcW003444 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6MElQOC003443 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:47:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: cbasten owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 10:47:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher J. Basten" To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] forwarded message Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Arson Analysis Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:42:01 -0600 From: "Laycock, Dave" Does anyone have any information, pointers on analyzing human remains for the presence of flammable liquids? We're talking actual body parts, not clothing. Has it been done? Thanks. Dave Laycock Idaho State Police Forensics [EndPost by "Christopher J. Basten" ] From forens-owner Fri Jul 22 12:00:30 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6MG0UcW005421 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6MG0Uu8005420 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:00:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 09:00:06 -0700 From: "Greg Laskowski" To: Subject: Re: [forens] forwarded message Mime-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id j6MG0VcW005422 Dave, Have you considered placing the remains in a large heat sealed Kapak or Tri-Tech Arson pouches and doing passive adsorption with a charcoal strip? I believe the Tri-Tech bags are a bigger size up to 30 inches. You can try the Kapak roll sheets., but it is advisable to run a few reagent blanks to see if they contribute any extraneous hydrocarbons before processing your remains. Regards, Gregory E. Laskowski Supervising Criminalist, Major Crimes Unit Kern County District Attorney Forensic Science Division 1300 18th Street, 4th Floor Bakersfield, CA 93301 Office Phone: (661) 868-5659 Office FAX: (661) 868-5675 Cellular Phone: (661) 979-5548 e-mail: glaskows@co.kern.ca.us >>> cbasten@statgen.ncsu.edu 7/22/2005 7:47:25 AM >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Arson Analysis Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:42:01 -0600 From: "Laycock, Dave" Does anyone have any information, pointers on analyzing human remains for the presence of flammable liquids? We're talking actual body parts, not clothing. Has it been done? Thanks. Dave Laycock Idaho State Police Forensics [EndPost by "Christopher J. Basten" ] BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:Greg Laskowski TEL;WORK:868-5659 ORG:District Attorney;District Attorney - Forensic Science Division TEL;PREF;FAX:868-5675 EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:GLaskows.DACRIMPO.DADOMAIN N:Laskowski;Greg TITLE:Supervising Criminalist END:VCARD --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- [EndPost by "Greg Laskowski" ] From forens-owner Sat Jul 23 16:01:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6NK1IcW027633 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6NK1Iq3027632 for forens-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:01:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: "Robert Parsons" To: Subject: RE: [forens] forwarded message Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:07:39 -0400 Keywords: Discussion lists Organization: Indian River Crime Laboratory Message-ID: <001101c58fc2$2d1f4aa0$9100a8c0@IRRCL.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2005 20:01:12.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[46796C70:01C58FC1] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id j6NK1HcW027627 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Dave, I don't recall coming across this before, but I don't see why the remains can't be treated the same as any other fire debris sample: passive headspace extraction via gentle heating (~90C) in a sealed container to volatize any flammables, with adsorption onto activated charcoal strips, elution with CS2 or other suitable solvent, and analysis via GC or GC/MS. It might be unpleasantly odiferous, but it should work. Slicing open the tissue beforehand might enhance recovery of flammables that were absorbed into the flesh, especially if the skin is intact. If you have an entire cadaver rather than just a body part, that's more challenging. I believe that you can get polyester bags (e.g., Kapak) big enough to encase a body, but how you would uniformly heat something that size is beyond me. Passive headspace sampling for flammables doesn't work very well at ambient temperatures. Heat lamps are a possibility, but I'm not sure you could reach the ideal temperature range. You could increase the recovery by using dynamic headspace sampling (under positive or negative air pressure passed through a charcoal trap), but without heating that will probably show a large bias toward the lighter components of a flammable liquid. You could also try removing portions of the cadaver (small enough to package to fit in an oven) for individual testing. It's also possible that solvent washing the remains (e.g., with pentane) might recover an identifiable amount of flammable liquid, but that would be a messy operation. You could also try solvent extraction of homogenized (liquefied) samples from the remains. I've no experience testing this kind of sample, so I'm just brainstorming here. It sounds like a great research project (with animal carcasses) for some young criminalists or academicians with time on their hands! Bob Parsons, F-ABC Forensic Chemist Indian River Crime Laboratory Ft. Pierce, FL -----Original Message----- From: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu [mailto:owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher J. Basten Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 10:47 AM To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] forwarded message ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Arson Analysis Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:42:01 -0600 From: "Laycock, Dave" Does anyone have any information, pointers on analyzing human remains for the presence of flammable liquids? We're talking actual body parts, not clothing. Has it been done? Thanks. Dave Laycock Idaho State Police Forensics [EndPost by "Christopher J. Basten" ] [EndPost by "Robert Parsons" ] From forens-owner Sat Jul 23 17:10:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6NLAKcW028646 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6NLAK4s028645 for forens-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:10:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [203.101.1.239] X-Originating-Email: [dr_anil@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dr_anil@hotmail.com From: "Professor Anil Aggrawal" To: "Forensic Newsgroup" Subject: [forens] C.G. Tedeschi Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 02:40:09 +0530 Organization: S-299 Greater Kailash-1, New Delhi-110048 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2096 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2096 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2005 21:10:10.0626 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9106A20:01C58FCA] X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id j6NLAKcW028647 Dear List, Can anyone please tell me the full name of C.G. Tedeschi. He was the late clinical professor of pathology, Boston University school of medicine and edited a 3-volume encyclopedia of forensic medicine way back in 1977. Luke G. Tedeschi was also a co-editor in this volume. Can someone tell me the relation between the two. Thanks and regards anil --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by "Professor Anil Aggrawal" ] From forens-owner Sat Jul 23 22:41:50 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6O2focW002708 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6O2foXx002707 for forens-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:41:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vJxFsMIGAYqgloF2EnFup7vTRAmwhyoFEdsOaHlJ2+S3zzpuoS2ZPC0guRV37SKAuXIjt3TcdiRCTK+H4ycHmGNFyWzQGMT0pQZb8q7iAzbXaK6tO26eQv5/v5x85Teumt/7MHJ5lLAngMDvcINExYTbUu+hSgy1OWekYpgxcS4= ; Message-ID: <20050724024145.16685.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:41:45 -0700 (PDT) From: John Lentini Subject: RE: [forens] ILR from body parts (forwarded message) To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu In-Reply-To: <001101c58fc2$2d1f4aa0$9100a8c0@IRRCL.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Dave: I once boiled a foot and another time boiled a lung. It made for great water cooler conversation. If you cannot smell the ignitable liquid residue, steam distillation is not the way to go. Body parts give off many interfering compounds. Use ASTM E 1412. Start gently with a c-strip in an enclosed vessel (use wahtever is convenient--just be sure to run a blank beforehand) at room temperature. If you see nothing at room temperature, go to 50C. Use a SIM program on the GC MS for greater selectivity. If you go to 90C, you will almost surely be overwhelmed by the substrate. Because of the high background, you are unlikely to be able to detect really small quantities (<1 uL). Good luck. Robert Parsons wrote: Dave, I don't recall coming across this before, but I don't see why the remains can't be treated the same as any other fire debris sample: passive headspace extraction via gentle heating (~90C) in a sealed container to volatize any flammables, with adsorption onto activated charcoal strips, elution with CS2 or other suitable solvent, and analysis via GC or GC/MS. It might be unpleasantly odiferous, but it should work. Slicing open the tissue beforehand might enhance recovery of flammables that were absorbed into the flesh, especially if the skin is intact. If you have an entire cadaver rather than just a body part, that's more challenging. I believe that you can get polyester bags (e.g., Kapak) big enough to encase a body, but how you would uniformly heat something that size is beyond me. Passive headspace sampling for flammables doesn't work very well at ambient temperatures. Heat lamps are a possibility, but I'm not sure you could reach the ideal temperature range. You could increase the recovery by using dynamic headspace sampling (under positive or negative air pressure passed through a charcoal trap), but without heating that will probably show a large bias toward the lighter components of a flammable liquid. You could also try removing portions of the cadaver (small enough to package to fit in an oven) for individual testing. It's also possible that solvent washing the remains (e.g., with pentane) might recover an identifiable amount of flammable liquid, but that would be a messy operation. You could also try solvent extraction of homogenized (liquefied) samples from the remains. I've no experience testing this kind of sample, so I'm just brainstorming here. It sounds like a great research project (with animal carcasses) for some young criminalists or academicians with time on their hands! Bob Parsons, F-ABC Forensic Chemist Indian River Crime Laboratory Ft. Pierce, FL -----Original Message----- From: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu [mailto:owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher J. Basten Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 10:47 AM To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] forwarded message ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Arson Analysis Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:42:01 -0600 From: "Laycock, Dave" Does anyone have any information, pointers on analyzing human remains for the presence of flammable liquids? We're talking actual body parts, not clothing. Has it been done? Thanks. Dave Laycock Idaho State Police Forensics [EndPost by "Christopher J. Basten" ] [EndPost by "Robert Parsons" ] Nothing worthwhile happens until somebody makes it happen. John J. Lentini, johnlentini@yahoo.com Certified Fire Investigator Fellow, American Board of Criminalistics http://www.atslab.com 800-544-5117 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by John Lentini ] From forens-owner Sun Jul 24 10:50:57 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6OEovcW010514 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6OEov75010513 for forens-outgoing; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:50:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-AntiVirus: PTMail-AV 0.3.85 Message-ID: <42E3AABF.9060907@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:50:39 +0100 From: Khorgan88 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: pt-br, pt MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Lista Forense de Peritos." Subject: [forens] Advise Please. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Dear Gentlemen. I am a writer that lives in Portugal and usually I just follow your exchange of messages and postings with lots of interest but without any intervention as I don't own the level of expertize in such matters you talk about and show, but the most part of them captivate my interest. Although i only intend to remain as a spectator and nothing else; - However, i noticed that some of you gentlemen know a lot about anthropology and possibly archeology and history, and i must ask for your advise, and maybe someone can help me. I am trying to collect some information about the "Beijing Man" in order to write about it in a romance/novel i am writing in this moment, and i have been researching for some time. By some reason i haven't found anything relevant on the net, maybe because my skills of a net researcher are too poor. Does anyone of you Gentlemen know where can i find some more information about it? Can you please point it to me? I am interested in books, magazines, urls, e-zines, anything. Thanks Kito Grova [EndPost by Khorgan88 ] From forens-owner Sun Jul 24 11:12:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6OFCOcW011446 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6OFCOdV011445 for forens-outgoing; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:12:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [203.101.6.130] X-Originating-Email: [dr_anil@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dr_anil@hotmail.com From: "Professor Anil Aggrawal" To: References: <42E3AABF.9060907@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [forens] Advise Please. Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:42:11 +0530 Organization: S-299 Greater Kailash-1, New Delhi-110048 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2096 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2096 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2005 15:12:13.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[121CF6D0:01C59062] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1";reply-type=response Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Dear Kito, Please visit http://www.geradts.com/anil/ij/vol_002_no_001/popular_books_002_001/page005.html This book mentions about Beijing man. It mentions about Tollund man too; you can find a picture here. If you explore the links above the green ribbon at the top, you may find information about Beijing man. If you can not acquire the book, please contact me off list (dr_anil@hotmail.com), and I will see if I can send you a scan of the required page. regards anil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Khorgan88" To: "Lista Forense de Peritos." Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:20 PM Subject: [forens] Advise Please. > Dear Gentlemen. > I am a writer that lives in Portugal and usually I just follow your > exchange of messages and postings with lots of interest but without any > intervention as I don't own the level of expertize in such matters you > talk about and show, but the most part of them captivate my interest. > Although i only intend to remain as a spectator and nothing else; - > However, i noticed that some of you gentlemen know a lot about > anthropology and possibly archeology and history, and i must ask for your > advise, and maybe someone can help me. > I am trying to collect some information about the "Beijing Man" in order > to write about it in a romance/novel i am writing in this moment, and i > have been researching for some time. By some reason i haven't found > anything relevant on the net, maybe because my skills of a net researcher > are too poor. Does anyone of you Gentlemen know where can i find some more > information about it? Can you please point it to me? I am interested in > books, magazines, urls, e-zines, anything. Thanks > Kito Grova > > [EndPost by Khorgan88 ] > [EndPost by "Professor Anil Aggrawal" ] From forens-owner Sun Jul 24 11:37:24 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6OFbOcW012373 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6OFbOOB012372 for forens-outgoing; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:37:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=azkYJ2scqVoFBLTx23E3LMHb+4rrXOEjrUf8HQCuwPNQMe7+lqZ7EUk4Z6wQOAQda0hDio3qXeeVTJcjQGOueeJfNIJoo7cyjNkxTuL0P/0R+igt/eWhqGebmuNMX5saprbekO6MPAXyclzOldp8XFRBdcLjrDUa83yDd/uuIX8= ; Message-ID: <20050724153720.85069.qmail@web52907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:37:20 -0700 (PDT) From: ck lange Subject: Re: [forens] Advise Please. To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu In-Reply-To: <42E3AABF.9060907@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Kito, In your searches, try "Peking Man", as that's what the fossil has been referred to for many more years (Beijing Man is a recent name change). Also, you can do general research on the site he came from, Zhoukoudian. Most introductory texts in Physical Anthropology will have information, but you may also want to try free on-line encyclopedias like Wikipedia (www.wikipedia.org)...but don't take all of the information on such sites as the absolute truth because they are not verified sources! Good luck, Cari Lange Professor of Anthropology --- Khorgan88 wrote: > Dear Gentlemen. > I am a writer that lives in Portugal and usually I just follow your > exchange of messages and postings with lots of interest but without any > intervention as I don't own the level of expertize in such matters you > talk about and show, but the most part of them captivate my interest. > Although i only intend to remain as a spectator and nothing else; - > However, i noticed that some of you gentlemen know a lot about > anthropology and possibly archeology and history, and i must ask for > your advise, and maybe someone can help me. > I am trying to collect some information about the "Beijing Man" in order > to write about it in a romance/novel i am writing in this moment, and i > have been researching for some time. By some reason i haven't found > anything relevant on the net, maybe because my skills of a net > researcher are too poor. Does anyone of you Gentlemen know where can i > find some more information about it? Can you please point it to me? I am > interested in books, magazines, urls, e-zines, anything. Thanks > Kito Grova > > [EndPost by Khorgan88 ] > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [EndPost by ck lange ] From forens-owner Sun Jul 24 12:48:51 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6OGmpcW014489 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6OGmpU9014488 for forens-outgoing; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:48:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Authentication-Warning: ida.tcs.tulane.edu: nobody set sender to hbacko@tulane.edu using -f Message-ID: <1122223686.42e3c6464d369@webmail.tulane.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:48:06 -0500 From: hbacko@tulane.edu To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: [forens] Advise Please. References: <42E3AABF.9060907@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <42E3AABF.9060907@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu I'm afraid I'm no 'gentleman', but I would suggest that in addition to the term 'Perking Man', you look for Sinanthropus pekinensis, Davidson Black, WC Pei, and Franz Weidenreich. A good range of intro books with inof on Peking Man are: The Human Career by Klein Essentials of Physical Anthropology by Jurmain et al Human Evolution by Wolpoff, or Human Origins by Larsen et al becominghuman.org is a interactive website I have used in class. Hope this helps, Heather Backo Tulane University Quoting Khorgan88 : > Dear Gentlemen. > I am a writer that lives in Portugal and usually I just follow your > exchange of messages and postings with lots of interest but without any > intervention as I don't own the level of expertize in such matters you > talk about and show, but the most part of them captivate my interest. > Although i only intend to remain as a spectator and nothing else; - > However, i noticed that some of you gentlemen know a lot about > anthropology and possibly archeology and history, and i must ask for > your advise, and maybe someone can help me. > I am trying to collect some information about the "Beijing Man" in order > to write about it in a romance/novel i am writing in this moment, and i > have been researching for some time. By some reason i haven't found > anything relevant on the net, maybe because my skills of a net > researcher are too poor. Does anyone of you Gentlemen know where can i > find some more information about it? Can you please point it to me? I am > interested in books, magazines, urls, e-zines, anything. Thanks > Kito Grova > > [EndPost by Khorgan88 ] > [EndPost by hbacko@tulane.edu] From forens-owner Mon Jul 25 20:42:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6Q0gTcW019911 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6Q0gSJe019910 for forens-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:42:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:42:27 -0800 From: Christine Hanson Subject: Re: [forens] Advise Please. To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Message-id: <00a101c5917a$e5edc610$c6b3e589@Hanson> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <42E3AABF.9060907@gmail.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu You might want to look at "Peking Man" by Shapiro. ************************************************* Christine L Hanson, PhD Professor Department of Anthropology and Geography University of Alaska Anchorage Anchorage, AK 99508 Tel: 907-786-6839 Fax: 907-786-6850 Email: afclh@uaa.alaska.edu ************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Khorgan88" To: "Lista Forense de Peritos." Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 6:50 AM Subject: [forens] Advise Please. > Dear Gentlemen. > I am a writer that lives in Portugal and usually I just follow your > exchange of messages and postings with lots of interest but without any > intervention as I don't own the level of expertize in such matters you > talk about and show, but the most part of them captivate my interest. > Although i only intend to remain as a spectator and nothing else; - > However, i noticed that some of you gentlemen know a lot about > anthropology and possibly archeology and history, and i must ask for > your advise, and maybe someone can help me. > I am trying to collect some information about the "Beijing Man" in order > to write about it in a romance/novel i am writing in this moment, and i > have been researching for some time. By some reason i haven't found > anything relevant on the net, maybe because my skills of a net > researcher are too poor. Does anyone of you Gentlemen know where can i > find some more information about it? Can you please point it to me? I am > interested in books, magazines, urls, e-zines, anything. Thanks > Kito Grova > > [EndPost by Khorgan88 ] [EndPost by Christine Hanson ] From forens-owner Mon Jul 25 23:05:31 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6Q35VcW022136 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6Q35VbK022135 for forens-outgoing; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:05:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-AntiVirus: PTMail-AV 0.3.85 Message-ID: <42E5A86B.6030504@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 04:05:15 +0100 From: Khorgan88 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: pt-br, pt MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Lista Forense de Peritos." Subject: [forens] About Advise Please (thanks) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Thanks to all of you who responded both privately and publicly to my request for information to aid in my book research. Your help was much appreciated! Kito Grova [EndPost by Khorgan88 ] From forens-owner Tue Jul 26 14:11:37 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6QIBbcW006200 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6QIBbM7006199 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:11:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kXx++JCLphS5WrgcDx3zQSC4CslcF8lcvX2nWMWjAPjW8zZ6hl0XLne6y+wV1NyP8MFRxnd57Uq+EghQ5ZHk3QDkS/KBS7onWJAR5m/lxVI01eZj5i/riOiQK23JZTXGq10TXM+UzyaolWBu6zCvl4Bi0M+NVhnnevZFhmF0QlA= ; Message-ID: <20050726181133.23875.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:11:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Anthony Romano Subject: [forens] Forensic Questions To: Forens-L MIME-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu A friend needed the following questions answered. Thanks for any help provided. * Would a perpetrator's fingerprints be recoverable from a body that had been submerged in salt water for 24-48 hours? * What are the preferred sources of DNA from such a body? * Would there be enough good quality DNA from such a sample for STR testing or would PCR be preferable? * If there is no suspect, would a lab run the victim's sample through the full test or just extract the DNA and hold it until a suspect is found? * Do labs run background checks on employees these days? Anthony Romano "Justice through Science". __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by Anthony Romano ] From forens-owner Tue Jul 26 14:41:39 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6QIfdcW007296 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6QIfdWO007295 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:41:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: <002501c59211$ed430960$2802a8c0@fyreatr> From: "Donna Brandelli" To: References: <20050726181133.23875.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [forens] Forensic Questions Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:43:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id j6QIfdcW007297 Anthony, I can only answer some of your questions. DNA is not my specialty. Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: [forens] Forensic Questions * Would a perpetrator's fingerprints be recoverable from a body that had been submerged in salt water for 24-48 hours? It is difficult to get prints off a body at any time. We have tried several methods and had little success, except when the prints were lifted almost immediately after touching the body. I would imagine that getting prints off a body that has been exposed to the environment would be much mor challenging. I am not aware of any research studies which have tried to get fingerprints off a body that has been submerged in salt water. * Do labs run background checks on employees these days? As for background checks, to the best of my knowledge all law enforcement agencies run background checks on all of their employees. The background check for a civilian may be less intensive than that of a sworn officer. I've been around quite a few law enforcement agencies in several different states and know of none that do NOT perform background check. Donna Brandelli Anthony Romano "Justice through Science". __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by Anthony Romano ] --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by "Donna Brandelli" ] From forens-owner Tue Jul 26 18:36:04 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6QMa3cW013127 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6QMa3lD013126 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:36:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: "Robert Parsons" To: Subject: RE: [forens] ILR from body parts (forwarded message) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:42:33 -0400 Keywords: Discussion lists Organization: Indian River Crime Laboratory Message-ID: <000101c59233$504a2130$9100a8c0@IRRCL.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050724024145.16685.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2005 22:36:03.0953 (UTC) FILETIME=[67ECF610:01C59232] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id j6QMa3cW013121 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Say, John, I'm puzzled - can you enlighten me? Is 50C (or lower) considered the recommended "ideal" temperature to use for fire debris extraction these days? The last time I did arson work (back in the dynamic headspace sampling days), 80-90C was the norm, and we rarely had problems being over whelmed by background interferents. The current E1412 recommends 50-80C, with a note that higher temperatures may be necessary for higher boiling components and/or trace residues, but I also recall there is a proposal to change that recommendation to 20-80C. Is background signal perhaps more a problem with GC/MS than it was in the GC-only days? Just curious, as I'm no longer current in this specialty. Bob Parsons, F-ABC Forensic Chemist Indian River Crime Laboratory Ft. Pierce, FL -----Original Message----- From: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu [mailto:owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu] On Behalf Of John Lentini Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:42 PM To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: RE: [forens] ILR from body parts (forwarded message) Dave: I once boiled a foot and another time boiled a lung. It made for great water cooler conversation. If you cannot smell the ignitable liquid residue, steam distillation is not the way to go. Body parts give off many interfering compounds. Use ASTM E 1412. Start gently with a c-strip in an enclosed vessel (use wahtever is convenient--just be sure to run a blank beforehand) at room temperature. If you see nothing at room temperature, go to 50C. Use a SIM program on the GC MS for greater selectivity. If you go to 90C, you will almost surely be overwhelmed by the substrate. Because of the high background, you are unlikely to be able to detect really small quantities (<1 uL). Good luck. Robert Parsons wrote: Dave, I don't recall coming across this before, but I don't see why the remains can't be treated the same as any other fire debris sample: passive headspace extraction via gentle heating (~90C) in a sealed container to volatize any flammables, with adsorption onto activated charcoal strips, elution with CS2 or other suitable solvent, and analysis via GC or GC/MS. It might be unpleasantly odiferous, but it should work. Slicing open the tissue beforehand might enhance recovery of flammables that were absorbed into the flesh, especially if the skin is intact. If you have an entire cadaver rather than just a body part, that's more challenging. I believe that you can get polyester bags (e.g., Kapak) big enough to encase a body, but how you would uniformly heat something that size is beyond me. Passive headspace sampling for flammables doesn't work very well at ambient temperatures. Heat lamps are a possibility, but I'm not sure you could reach the ideal temperature range. You could increase the recovery by using dynamic headspace sampling (under positive or negative air pressure passed through a charcoal trap), but without heating that will probably show a large bias toward the lighter components of a flammable liquid. You could also try removing portions of the cadaver (small enough to package to fit in an oven) for individual testing. It's also possible that solvent washing the remains (e.g., with pentane) might recover an identifiable amount of flammable liquid, but that would be a messy operation. You could also try solvent extraction of homogenized (liquefied) samples from the remains. I've no experience testing this kind of sample, so I'm just brainstorming here. It sounds like a great research project (with animal carcasses) for some young criminalists or academicians with time on their hands! Bob Parsons, F-ABC Forensic Chemist Indian River Crime Laboratory Ft. Pierce, FL -----Original Message----- From: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu [mailto:owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher J. Basten Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 10:47 AM To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] forwarded message ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Arson Analysis Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:42:01 -0600 From: "Laycock, Dave" Does anyone have any information, pointers on analyzing human remains for the presence of flammable liquids? We're talking actual body parts, not clothing. Has it been done? Thanks. Dave Laycock Idaho State Police Forensics [EndPost by "Christopher J. Basten" ] [EndPost by "Robert Parsons" ] Nothing worthwhile happens until somebody makes it happen. John J. Lentini, johnlentini@yahoo.com Certified Fire Investigator Fellow, American Board of Criminalistics http://www.atslab.com 800-544-5117 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by John Lentini ] [EndPost by "Robert Parsons" ] From forens-owner Tue Jul 26 19:16:06 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6QNG6cW014056 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6QNG6YS014055 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:16:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: EarlNMeyer@aol.com Message-ID: <1d5.40c1a319.30181e29@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:15:53 EDT Subject: Re: [forens] ILR from body parts (forwarded message) To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Dave, John DeHaan has some unpublished data on what you might expect using GC/MS on burned bodies. It would help you sort out the expected from the un-expected. Harold --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by EarlNMeyer@aol.com] From forens-owner Tue Jul 26 21:14:40 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6R1EecW015772 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6R1EdRT015771 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:14:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: FORENSIC022@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:14:26 EDT Subject: Re: [forens] Forensic Questions To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2330 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu What are the preferred sources of DNA from such a body? This would depend upon the state of decomposition of the body. The state of decomp would, in part, be dependent upon the water temperature, whether the body was clothed, naked, wrapped, or in a container, cause of death, scavenger activity, etc. Bone marrow would probably still be a good source of DNA in this case. Would there be enough good quality DNA from such a sample for STR testing or would PCR be preferable? Actually, PCR is not a test. The Polymerase Chain Reaction is the method by which template DNA is copied (amplified) thousands of times prior to the actual DNA analysis. Think of it as a molecular photocopier. Short Tandem Repeats describe portions of the DNA molecule where blocks of nitrogenous bases (Adenine, Thymine, Cytosine and Guanine) are repeated, multiple times, one right after another (i.e. ACCTACCTACCT...). At a given location on a DNA molecule, I might have 13 repeats on 1 DNA strand, and 12 on the complementary strand. Thus, I would be a 12, 13 at that location. You might be an 11,11. It is the differences in the number of these repeats at certain locations on the DNA molecule, which make us genetically unique. STR DNA analysis would be preferable over RFLP DNA analysis, as RFLP requires a larger DNA sample. STR DNA analysis is also better suited for degraded DNA. If there is no suspect, would a lab run the victim's sample through the full test or just extract the DNA and hold it until a suspect is found? In a no suspect case, the autopsy samples would usually be stored frozen until a DNA analyst was available to start the case, unless it were assigned immediately. That having been said, there are instances when it might be preferable to extract the DNA and store the frozen extract. No-suspect homicide cases are analyzed every day. The resultant profiles are run against databases (convicted offenders, missing persons, forensic unknowns). "Hits" from these database searches are used to link suspects to cases, cases to other cases, and to identify unidentified human remains. Do labs run background checks on employees these days? This question has already been answered. I would like to ad that, in some government labs, even unpaid interns are given a polygraph and a drug screening, as well as a background investigation. Hope this helped. Brad Brown, FSIII NYSP Forensic Investigation Center Trace Evidence section Albany, NY --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by FORENSIC022@aol.com] From forens-owner Tue Jul 26 22:00:25 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6R20PcW016773 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6R20PTm016771 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:00:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [203.101.2.137] X-Originating-Email: [dr_anil@hotmail.com] X-Sender: dr_anil@hotmail.com From: "Professor Anil Aggrawal" To: References: Subject: Re: [forens] Forensic Questions Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:30:14 +0530 Organization: S-299 Greater Kailash-1, New Delhi-110048 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2096 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2096 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2005 02:00:15.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE555000:01C5924E] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1";reply-type=original Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Brad, Your descriptions are marvellous! I enjoyed reading them, especially the one where you describe the 12/13 alleles. Regards Anil ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [forens] Forensic Questions > What are the preferred sources of DNA from such a body? This would depend > upon the state of decomposition of the body. The state of decomp would, > in > part, be dependent upon the water temperature, whether the body was > clothed, > naked, wrapped, or in a container, cause of death, scavenger activity, > etc. Bone > marrow would probably still be a good source of DNA in this case. > > Would there be enough good quality DNA from such a sample for STR testing > or would PCR be preferable? Actually, PCR is not a test. The Polymerase > Chain Reaction is the method by which template DNA is copied (amplified) > thousands of times prior to the actual DNA analysis. Think of it as a > molecular > photocopier. Short Tandem Repeats describe portions of the DNA molecule > where > blocks of nitrogenous bases (Adenine, Thymine, Cytosine and Guanine) are > repeated, multiple times, one right after another (i.e. ACCTACCTACCT...). > At a given > location on a DNA molecule, I might have 13 repeats on 1 DNA strand, and > 12 > on the complementary strand. Thus, I would be a 12, 13 at that location. > You > might be an 11,11. It is the differences in the number of these repeats > at > certain locations on the DNA molecule, which make us genetically unique. > > STR DNA analysis would be preferable over RFLP DNA analysis, as RFLP > requires a larger DNA sample. STR DNA analysis is also better suited for > degraded > DNA. > > If there is no suspect, would a lab run the victim's sample through the > full test or just extract the DNA and hold it until a suspect is found? > In a > no suspect case, the autopsy samples would usually be stored frozen until > a > DNA analyst was available to start the case, unless it were assigned > immediately. That having been said, there are instances when it might be > preferable > to extract the DNA and store the frozen extract. > > No-suspect homicide cases are analyzed every day. The resultant profiles > are > run against databases (convicted offenders, missing persons, forensic > unknowns). "Hits" from these database searches are used to link suspects > to cases, > cases to other cases, and to identify unidentified human remains. > > Do labs run background checks on employees these days? This question has > already been answered. I would like to ad that, in some government labs, > even > unpaid interns are given a polygraph and a drug screening, as well as a > background investigation. > > Hope this helped. > > Brad Brown, FSIII > NYSP Forensic Investigation Center > Trace Evidence section > Albany, NY > > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > [EndPost by FORENSIC022@aol.com] > [EndPost by "Professor Anil Aggrawal" ] From forens-owner Tue Jul 26 23:31:55 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6R3VscW018129 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6R3Vseo018128 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:31:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pTVf6199uZj+TQgjSdBGCg66uyKNLykBAkSa1K6ofxmQUY+pzhfE4yFpT1Olc5HaYKkWWXB5pYY93hDwxntKPVV6hozB0PJROu/oG8gfyiyEjpGQysbUNN7PVVqdG3KXdBf99Ru8JBRlpzr4vB8Ht7MUsPwbz23HnM9wpm7FDPM= ; Message-ID: <20050727033149.79973.qmail@web40826.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:31:49 -0700 (PDT) From: John Lentini Subject: Re: [forens] ILR from body parts (forwarded message) To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu In-Reply-To: <1d5.40c1a319.30181e29@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu The homologous aldehydes that are occasionally discussed in this context are actually fom the cotton clothing, not from sweat as some have surmised. I have seen the aldehydes in clothing that is fresh from the store and never worn. Always run a control. Keeps you out of trouble. EarlNMeyer@aol.com wrote: Dave, John DeHaan has some unpublished data on what you might expect using GC/MS on burned bodies. It would help you sort out the expected from the un-expected. Harold --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by EarlNMeyer@aol.com] Nothing worthwhile happens until somebody makes it happen. John J. Lentini, johnlentini@yahoo.com Certified Fire Investigator Fellow, American Board of Criminalistics http://www.atslab.com 800-544-5117 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by John Lentini ] From forens-owner Wed Jul 27 00:32:17 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6R4WHcW019735 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6R4WHuK019734 for forens-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:32:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050726212903.04578bf0@calmail.berkeley.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:31:45 -0700 To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu From: Charles Brenner Subject: Re: [forens] Forensic Questions In-Reply-To: <20050726181133.23875.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050726181133.23875.qmail@web51610.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu At 11:11 AM 7/26/2005, you wrote: >A friend needed the following questions answered. Thanks for any help >provided. > >* Would a perpetrator's fingerprints be recoverable from a body that had >been submerged in salt water for 24-48 hours? > >* What are the preferred sources of DNA from such a body? http://dna-view.com/tsunami.htm#fingernails Charles Brenner --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by Charles Brenner ] From forens-owner Wed Jul 27 11:11:16 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6RFBGcW000807 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6RFBGTe000806 for forens-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:11:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050727033149.79973.qmail@web40826.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050727033149.79973.qmail@web40826.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <88E5EEAE-B5DA-44CA-8C83-D28D4C83ACD1@mac.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_Stauffer?= Subject: Re: [forens] ILR from body parts - Clarification Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:11:13 -0400 To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain;charset=MACINTOSH;delsp=yes;format=flowed Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id j6RFBGcW000808 The article from John DeHaan and DJ Brien, and R Large was published in Science & Justice, volume 4, Number 4, pp. 223-236 and is entitled: "Volatile organic compounds from the combustion of human and animal tissue". They demonstrate that the series of aldehydes is obtained from the human fat. John, I do not see how cotton would produce a series of aldehydes. When you look at the chemical composition of cotton, once treated pure cellulose, and apply the rules of pyrolysis, I do not see how you can get a series of aldehydes. Maybe the clothing you analyzed where not pure 100% cotton, but were contaminated with something or were bearing other materials. I analyzed many new and used (but clean) cotton clothing and never found a series of aldehydes. I would be interested in looking at this data. So, if it does not come from sweat, it surely does not come from cotton either. Sweat was a safer bet, as it contains some fatty acids, which would produce the aldehydes. More investigation might reveal interesting facts. When cotton burns, you will find different components, but more particularly furaldehydes, furfural, dimethylfuran, and 5-methyl-2- furancarboxaldehyde. These are pyrolysis products of cellulosic material. I know quite a few crime laboratories that analyze body parts for ignitable liquid residues. I believe they all use passive headspace concentration, at a low temperature, as the vapor tension of the water will increase dramatically when you approach 100úC, the chance of the lid of the can to pop open due to the increased pressure is great and you do not want that. Otherwise, I would refer your to the publication of Schuberth: [1] Schuberth, J (1997) Gas Residues of Engine Starting Fluid in Postmortem Sample from an Arsonist, Journal of Forensic Sciences, 42 (1), pp. 144-47. [2] Schubert, J (1994) Post-mortem test for low-boiling arson residues of gasoline by gas chromatography-ion-trap mass spectrometry, Journal of Chromatography B: Biomedical Applications, 662(pp. 113-17. This is some literature that should be read when dealing with post- mortem samples and ILR. Hope this helps, Regards, Eric On Jul 26, 2005, at 23:31, John Lentini wrote: > The homologous aldehydes that are occasionally discussed in this > context are actually fom the cotton clothing, not from sweat as > some have surmised. > > I have seen the aldehydes in clothing that is fresh from the store > and never worn. Always run a control. Keeps you out of trouble. > > EarlNMeyer@aol.com wrote: > Dave, > > John DeHaan has some unpublished data on what you might expect > using GC/MS > on burned bodies. It would help you sort out the expected from the > un-expected. > > Harold > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > [EndPost by EarlNMeyer@aol.com] > > > Nothing worthwhile happens until somebody makes it happen. > John J. Lentini, johnlentini@yahoo.com > Certified Fire Investigator > Fellow, American Board of Criminalistics > http://www.atslab.com 800-544-5117 > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > [EndPost by John Lentini ] > -------------------------------------- Eric Stauffer, MS, F-ABC, CFEI Senior Forensic Scientist MME Forensic Services 1039 Industrial Court Suwanee, GA 30024 USA Office + 1 (678) 730 2000 Cell + 1 (404) 663 3611 Fax + 1 (678) 482 9677 Email arson@mac.com Web http://www.mmelab.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by From forens-owner Wed Jul 27 11:33:18 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6RFXIcW001690 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6RFXIbw001689 for forens-outgoing; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:33:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=oH3a+DFFLWralvldLk6b7VORiRlyUep4KsxMeyTOJ2xu6qQ68TVnPzYLA1ClAs6b; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <88E5EEAE-B5DA-44CA-8C83-D28D4C83ACD1@mac.com> References: <20050727033149.79973.qmail@web40826.mail.yahoo.com> <88E5EEAE-B5DA-44CA-8C83-D28D4C83ACD1@mac.com> Message-Id: From: Norah Rudin Subject: Re: [forens] ILR from body parts - Clarification Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:33:15 -0700 To: forens-L X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 9d4f2666ca81d5b31aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec792c8ed242496c61f18e98a112c2ac8c1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.245.45.30 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain;charset=MACINTOSH;format=flowed Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id j6RFXJcW001691 Formaldehyde or formaldehyde-like chemicals are often used in the finishing process of fabrics, textiles and clothing. Take a whiff of the next new shirt you purchase. I don't know how much remains after washing, but it is a potential source of those compounds. Alcohols and aldehydes can also be found in cosmetic products. Just a thought from a lowly DNA expert. Norah Rudin Norah Rudin, Ph.D. Forensic DNA Consultant norah@forensicdna.com http://www.forensicdna.com http://www.forensicdna.com/Bookstore/index.html ----------------------------------------------- Nature photos: http://www.norahrudin.com (new images: Molokai, San Miguel de Allende, California) ----------------------------------------------- On Jul 27, 2005, at 8:11 AM, ƒric Stauffer wrote: > The article from John DeHaan and DJ Brien, and R Large was published > in Science & Justice, volume 4, Number 4, pp. 223-236 and is entitled: > "Volatile organic compounds from the combustion of human and animal > tissue". > > They demonstrate that the series of aldehydes is obtained from the > human fat. > > John, I do not see how cotton would produce a series of aldehydes. > When you look at the chemical composition of cotton, once treated pure > cellulose, and apply the rules of pyrolysis, I do not see how you can > get a series of aldehydes. Maybe the clothing you analyzed where not > pure 100% cotton, but were contaminated with something or were bearing > other materials. I analyzed many new and used (but clean) cotton > clothing and never found a series of aldehydes. I would be interested > in looking at this data. So, if it does not come from sweat, it surely > does not come from cotton either. Sweat was a safer bet, as it > contains some fatty acids, which would produce the aldehydes. More > investigation might reveal interesting facts. > > When cotton burns, you will find different components, but more > particularly furaldehydes, furfural, dimethylfuran, and > 5-methyl-2-furancarboxaldehyde. These are pyrolysis products of > cellulosic material. > > I know quite a few crime laboratories that analyze body parts for > ignitable liquid residues. I believe they all use passive headspace > concentration, at a low temperature, as the vapor tension of the water > will increase dramatically when you approach 100úC, the chance of the > lid of the can to pop open due to the increased pressure is great and > you do not want that. > > Otherwise, I would refer your to the publication of Schuberth: > > [1] Schuberth, J (1997) Gas Residues of Engine Starting Fluid in > Postmortem Sample from an Arsonist, Journal of Forensic Sciences, > 42(1), pp. 144-47. > > [2] Schubert, J (1994) Post-mortem test for low-boiling arson > residues of gasoline by gas chromatography-ion-trap mass spectrometry, > Journal of Chromatography B: Biomedical Applications, 662(pp. 113-17. > > > This is some literature that should be read when dealing with > post-mortem samples and ILR. > > Hope this helps, > > Regards, > > Eric > > > On Jul 26, 2005, at 23:31, John Lentini wrote: > >> The homologous aldehydes that are occasionally discussed in this >> context are actually fom the cotton clothing, not from sweat as some >> have surmised. >> >> I have seen the aldehydes in clothing that is fresh from the store >> and never worn. Always run a control. Keeps you out of trouble. >> >> EarlNMeyer@aol.com wrote: >> Dave, >> >> John DeHaan has some unpublished data on what you might expect using >> GC/MS >> on burned bodies. It would help you sort out the expected from the >> un-expected. >> >> Harold >> >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> [EndPost by EarlNMeyer@aol.com] >> >> >> Nothing worthwhile happens until somebody makes it happen. >> John J. Lentini, johnlentini@yahoo.com >> Certified Fire Investigator >> Fellow, American Board of Criminalistics >> http://www.atslab.com 800-544-5117 >> >> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >> multipart/alternative >> text/plain (text body -- kept) >> text/html >> --- >> [EndPost by John Lentini ] >> > > > -------------------------------------- > Eric Stauffer, MS, F-ABC, CFEI > Senior Forensic Scientist > > MME Forensic Services > 1039 Industrial Court > Suwanee, GA 30024 > USA > > Office + 1 (678) 730 2000 > Cell + 1 (404) 663 3611 > Fax + 1 (678) 482 9677 > > Email arson@mac.com > Web http://www.mmelab.com > > > > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > multipart/alternative > text/plain (text body -- kept) > text/html > --- > [EndPost by --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- [EndPost by Norah Rudin ] From forens-owner Fri Jul 29 15:04:58 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6TJ4vcW016629 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6TJ4vvb016628 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:04:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: cbasten owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:04:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher J. Basten" To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] forwarded mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Reference Requested Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 14:17:10 -0400 From: "Thompson, Roger" To List Members: =20 Our district attorney is interested in speaking with a ME Pathologist with experience and documented photographs dealing with injuries to human skin specifically abrasion trauma. This wire brush process as I understand is a method the motorcycle gangs use to remove club identity tattoos on an individual leaving the group. =20 Case Brief: =20 The defendant has claimed he was attacked with a wire brush on his chest, face, and forearms. The defendant had a knife available to him during this self reported incident and crime scene photographs of the wounds appear more randomly spaced and individual as would be expected through use of the tip of the knife blade. =20 Our Toolmark examiners would probably be challenged testifying to test marks, without medical expertise, with wire brush instruments displayed on a test substrate other than human skin. =20 It is more the specific injury issue and a physician qualified to consult and/or present general knowledge testimony as to their experience with examining a documented injury. =20 Any reference to a qualified expert in N.C. or surrounding states would be great. =20 =20 I have contacted NAME and received their member directory, but we wish to seek out a physician with specific experience and photographic documentation of a case/ incident similar to the described above. =20 Responses and or contacts can be made directly to Mr. Steve Ward: wardsw@co.mecklenburg.nc.us =20 =20 Respectfully, =20 =20 Roger C. Thompson Crime Laboratory Director Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department Crime Laboratory 601 E. Trade St. Charlotte, N. C. 28202-2940 Office: 704-353-1100 Fax: 704-353-0088 E: rthompson@cmpd.org =20 =20 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by "Christopher J. Basten" ] From forens-owner Fri Jul 29 15:23:46 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6TJNkcW017409 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6TJNkxK017408 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:23:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-WebMail-UserID: kmgold Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 15:23:45 -0400 From: kmgold To: forens X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002406, 50000148 Subject: [forens] Possible Internship in DC/Metro area Message-ID: <43300B37@OrangeMail> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Hey there, Does anyone know about any crime labs or private labs that offer internships in DNA or molecular biology? I am a senior biology major in college and have lab experience and independent research experience. Thanks. -Kathryn [EndPost by kmgold ] From forens-owner Fri Jul 29 16:46:23 2005 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6TKkNcW019000 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id j6TKkNuq018999 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 29 Jul 2005 16:46:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8DEC4006-CE7C-4CD3-BB18-B2B8AD1762BA@mac.com> From: Marc Subject: [forens] Field Kit Question Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:47:40 -0700 To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu I'm trying to get a sense of the type of equipment that could normally be found in a crimnalist's field kit. Can anyone help me with this? (Specific/technical names of equipment would be particularly helpful.) Thanks! Best, Marc Guggenheim [EndPost by Marc ]