From forens-owner Wed Dec 1 13:16:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB1IGfM7011583 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iB1IGfoX011582 for forens-outgoing; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:16:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=RgG964eWBd4CdRb5WakLUhdD2cwv7w5FIOHNkcWArTNSwN0/pfbzKgP3e0BnHD9oFoK0PCEAMrCjU6Kpx4rYFx1l/IL/DsUhIa9z80c0+pDqESZ29i+fgviKJWSco3s2FUw/IPU5/ZG5ej9wE1GB9WjWHWk0prcLE9IyVI4rzko= ; Message-ID: <20041201181638.82663.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:16:38 -0800 (PST) From: Anil Aggrawal Subject: [forens] A new book is available for review To: Anil Aggrawal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Respected Sir, One new book has become available for review. The book is Plucked and Burned by Sylvia Tomlinson Paperback: 237 pages Publisher: Redbud Publishing Company (April 1, 2003) ISBN: 097202932X The book is about chicken and poultry industry and how arsenicals used in this industry are contaminating our environment. The publisher has sent us the following media clip to us (between ********). ********************* "Before sitting down for you next meal I would suggest that you read this book. You will not look at a chicken dinner in the same way again. Plucked and Burned by Sylvia Tomlinson is a fictional story about the modern day slavery of the poultry industry. Suspenseful and gripping, Mrs. Tomlinson's one big surprise about this book is that all these events in the book are based on true facts. Tomlinson has spent hundreds of hours researching the horrors in the industry, so she can share them with us. Murder, arson, all the good elements you think you would find in a great mystery novel are here in this gripping tale that all of us can learn from." ********************* Please visit the following link to see more details about this book. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/097202932X/anilaggrawasi-20 Please let me know if you are interested. Please be kind enough to send your latest mailing address in case you are interested. Yes, I know I have your address, but I just want to be sure you have not moved, and the book does reach you ultimately. Thanks. Please let me take this opportunity to wish you a very happy Christmas and a very happy and prosperous new year 2005. Thanks. Sincerely, Professor Anil Aggrawal Professor of Forensic Medicine Maulana Azad Medical College S-299 Greater Kailash-1 New Delhi-110048 INDIA Phone: 26465460, 26413101 http://www.geradts.com/~anil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail [EndPost by Anil Aggrawal ] From forens-owner Thu Dec 2 12:03:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB2H3hM7007735 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iB2H3hWS007734 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:03:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-Id: <200412021703.iB2H3gM7007719@sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu> From: "Elizabeth Brennan" To: Subject: [forens] remove Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:04:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcTX0uGGQVr5fN9+TSK2bRupstf4YQAvh1cQ In-Reply-To: <20041201181638.82663.qmail@web13706.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu -----Original Message----- From: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu [mailto:owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu] On Behalf Of Anil Aggrawal Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:17 AM To: Anil Aggrawal Subject: [forens] A new book is available for review Respected Sir, One new book has become available for review. The book is Plucked and Burned by Sylvia Tomlinson Paperback: 237 pages Publisher: Redbud Publishing Company (April 1, 2003) ISBN: 097202932X The book is about chicken and poultry industry and how arsenicals used in this industry are contaminating our environment. The publisher has sent us the following media clip to us (between ********). ********************* "Before sitting down for you next meal I would suggest that you read this book. You will not look at a chicken dinner in the same way again. Plucked and Burned by Sylvia Tomlinson is a fictional story about the modern day slavery of the poultry industry. Suspenseful and gripping, Mrs. Tomlinson's one big surprise about this book is that all these events in the book are based on true facts. Tomlinson has spent hundreds of hours researching the horrors in the industry, so she can share them with us. Murder, arson, all the good elements you think you would find in a great mystery novel are here in this gripping tale that all of us can learn from." ********************* Please visit the following link to see more details about this book. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/097202932X/anilaggrawasi-20 Please let me know if you are interested. Please be kind enough to send your latest mailing address in case you are interested. Yes, I know I have your address, but I just want to be sure you have not moved, and the book does reach you ultimately. Thanks. Please let me take this opportunity to wish you a very happy Christmas and a very happy and prosperous new year 2005. Thanks. Sincerely, Professor Anil Aggrawal Professor of Forensic Medicine Maulana Azad Medical College S-299 Greater Kailash-1 New Delhi-110048 INDIA Phone: 26465460, 26413101 http://www.geradts.com/~anil __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail [EndPost by Anil Aggrawal ] [EndPost by "Elizabeth Brennan" ] From forens-owner Wed Dec 8 08:29:02 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB8DT2M7010869 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iB8DT2LF010868 for forens-outgoing; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:29:02 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: From: Greg Kiddon To: "'forens@statgen.ncsu.edu'" Subject: [forens] autosampler ftir Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:28:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2004 13:25:21.0030 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DCC8A60:01C4DD29] Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu List Anyone using an autosampler for their FTIR - either transmission or diffuse - for drug analysis? We've had an inquiry from our supervisor. A reply off-list is fine. Thanks Greg Kiddon Ohio BCI&I gkiddon@ag.state.oh.us [EndPost by Greg Kiddon ] From forens-owner Sat Dec 11 08:57:44 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBBDviM7007725 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 08:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBBDviNZ007724 for forens-outgoing; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 08:57:44 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: <41BAFA01.74DB1090@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:15:37 +0530 From: Professor Anil Aggrawal Organization: S-299 Greater Kailash-1, New Delhi-110048, India X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dr_anil@hotmail.com Subject: [forens] Three new books are available for review Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu 11 December 2004 Dear Sir, The journal office has received three books on forensic science from "Selective & Scientific Books", India. If you are interested in reviewing one or more of these books, please let me know your choice and your latest mailing address and I will have the books sent over to you. The books are: (1) Handbook of forensic science edited by Prof. (Dr.) Vimala Veeraraghvan, 253 pages, Price Indian Rupees 200.00 (2) Forensic Science in India - A vision for the twenty-first century by BB Nanda and R.K. Tewari, 288 pages, Price Indian Rupees 495.00 (3) Computer Crime and Computer Forensics by R.K.Tewari, P.K. Sastry and K.V. Ravikumar, 321 pages, Price Indian Rupees 595.00 You can choose all three books if you want. Please let me know. Thanks. Please let me take this opportunity to wish you a very happy Christmas and a very happy and prosperous new year 2005. With my kindest regards and many thanks for your time. Sincerely, Professor Anil Aggrawal Professor of Forensic Medicine Maulana Azad Medical College S-299 Greater Kailash-1 New Delhi-110048 INDIA Phone: 26465460, 26413101 http://www.geradts.com/~anil dr_anil@hotmail.com *Many people ask me why I chose Forensic Medicine as a career, and I tell them that it is because a forensic man gets the honor of being called when the top doctors have failed!* `\|||/ (@@) ooO (_) Ooo________________________________ _____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| ___|____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|____ _____|_____Please pardon the intrusion_|____|_____ [EndPost by Professor Anil Aggrawal ] From forens-owner Thu Dec 16 10:40:09 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBGFe9M7022983 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBGFe9Ba022982 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:40:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: "Amy S. Duhaime" To: Subject: [forens] temp monitoring Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:38:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu List, When performing a fire debris extraction, do labs monitor and document the temperature of the oven throughout the whole extraction? I would be interested in hearing what other labs do. Do you monitor the temperature of your oven? If so, how do you do it? Do you check at predetermined times during the extraction? Or do you have a way to monitor and document that the temperature remained consistent throughout the entire extraction? If so, what do you use to constantly monitor the temp? Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Amy Duhaime RI State Crime Lab asc@uri.edu [EndPost by "Amy S. Duhaime" ] From forens-owner Thu Dec 16 10:52:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBGFq0M7024429 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBGFq07j024428 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:52:00 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6559E196-4F7A-11D9-AC2C-000A95D16760@mac.com> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_Stauffer?= Subject: Re: [forens] temp monitoring Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:51:48 -0500 To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII;format=flowed Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Amy, Some do, some don't... I don't monitor, because I do not have the capability. But I did set my oven at the proper temperature and monitored it myself over several hours. Then, when I switch it on, I check the temperature after one hour and at the end of the extraction. I assume that it did not go ballistic in the middle. Some people have a thermocouple and a recording device outside the oven, it is just a disk that rotates with the time and the temperature is recorded. Some oven manufacturers include that with their high-end ovens. Regards, Eric On Dec 16, 2004, at 10:38, Amy S. Duhaime wrote: > List, > > When performing a fire debris extraction, do labs monitor and document > the > temperature of the oven throughout the whole extraction? I would be > interested in hearing what other labs do. > > Do you monitor the temperature of your oven? If so, how do you do it? > Do you > check at predetermined times during the extraction? Or do you have a > way to > monitor and document that the temperature remained consistent > throughout the > entire extraction? If so, what do you use to constantly monitor the > temp? > > Any input is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Amy Duhaime > RI State Crime Lab > asc@uri.edu > > > > [EndPost by "Amy S. Duhaime" ] > > -------------------------------------- Eric Stauffer, MS, F-ABC, CFEI Senior Forensic Scientist MME Forensic Services 1039 Industrial Court Suwanee, GA 30024 USA Office + 1 (678) 730 2000 Cell + 1 (404) 663 3611 Fax + 1 (678) 482 9677 Email estauffer@mmelab.com Web http://www.mmelab.com --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/enriched --- [EndPost by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_Stauffer?= ] From forens-owner Thu Dec 16 11:03:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBGG3PM7025850 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBGG3OgB025847 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:03:24 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: LeonStein@aol.com Message-ID: <1cf.2dbc7e1a.2ef30bc1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:03:13 EST Subject: Re: [forens] temp monitoring To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Amy - The Georgia Bureau of Investigation uses the circular recording device that Eric refers to. Contact their regional lab in Columbus for thier protocol and they should be happy to assist you. Additionally, they scan the chart for each batch of runs and retain the image in their LIMS software "case file" for completeness. Their contact information can be found at _http://www.forquality.org/accreditation.htm#columbus_ (http://www.forquality.org/accreditation.htm#columbus) David Epstein --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by LeonStein@aol.com] From forens-owner Thu Dec 16 11:06:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBGG6dM7026459 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBGG6de2026458 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:06:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: Gunis77@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.3ab5edf2.2ef30c7d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:06:21 EST Subject: Re: [forens] temp monitoring To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5000 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu So can Amy in her LIMS. :) --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by Gunis77@aol.com] From forens-owner Thu Dec 16 12:24:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBGHOtM7003489 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBGHOtmU003488 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:24:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.3 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:24:24 -0800 From: "Greg Laskowski" To: , Subject: Re: [forens] temp monitoring Mime-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Amy, We check the digital readout on the oven with a NIST certified thermometer placed in the exhaust port of the oven. We incubate our samples overnight at 70 degrees C. I check the temperature on both devices when I place the samples inside the over and when I remove them for elution, but I do not record it. I think one has to have some faith that system is working throughout the absorption cycle. Barring a power failure, which would be recorded on various devices throughout the laboratory. Gregory E. Laskowski Supervising Criminalist, Major Crimes Unit Kern County District Attorney Forensic Science Division 1300 18th Street, 4th Floor Bakersfield, CA 93301 Office Phone: (661) 868-5659 Office FAX: (661) 868-5675 Cellular Phone: (661) 979-5548 e-mail: glaskows@co.kern.ca.us >>> asc@uri.edu 12/16/2004 7:38:32 AM >>> List, When performing a fire debris extraction, do labs monitor and document the temperature of the oven throughout the whole extraction? I would be interested in hearing what other labs do. Do you monitor the temperature of your oven? If so, how do you do it? Do you check at predetermined times during the extraction? Or do you have a way to monitor and document that the temperature remained consistent throughout the entire extraction? If so, what do you use to constantly monitor the temp? Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Amy Duhaime RI State Crime Lab asc@uri.edu [EndPost by "Amy S. Duhaime" ] BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:Greg Laskowski TEL;WORK:868-5659 ORG:District Attorney;District Attorney - Forensic Science Division TEL;PREF;FAX:868-5675 EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:GLaskows.DACRIMPO.DADOMAIN N:Laskowski;Greg TITLE:Supervising Criminalist END:VCARD --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) text/plain (text body -- kept) --- [EndPost by "Greg Laskowski" ] From forens-owner Fri Dec 17 08:27:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBHDRPM7000509 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBHDROo4000508 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:27:24 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.5 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:26:41 -0500 From: "Melisa Staples" To: Subject: Re: [forens] temp monitoring Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id iBHDROM7000503 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu We don't constantly monitor the temp for a couple of reasons: 1. Most of the time we do our extractions overnight 2. It is the type of oven where a heating coil goes on and off to maintain a fairly constant temp, so it is always fluctuating a few degrees (+/- 5 degrees or so). 3. Our protocol is pretty broad, in that it states that we will extract the samples for 8 hours to overnight at a temp of 65-75 degrees. We generally record whatever the temp is when we come in in the morning to shut the oven off and the number of hours the sample was in the oven. Melisa W. Staples Assistant Laboratory Director NHSP Forensic Lab (603) 271-3573 This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. This communication may contain material protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be subject to criminal prosecution. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by telephone at 603-271-3573. You will be reimbursed for reasonable costs incurred in notifying us. >>> asc@uri.edu 12/16/04 10:38AM >>> List, When performing a fire debris extraction, do labs monitor and document the temperature of the oven throughout the whole extraction? I would be interested in hearing what other labs do. Do you monitor the temperature of your oven? If so, how do you do it? Do you check at predetermined times during the extraction? Or do you have a way to monitor and document that the temperature remained consistent throughout the entire extraction? If so, what do you use to constantly monitor the temp? Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Amy Duhaime RI State Crime Lab asc@uri.edu [EndPost by "Amy S. Duhaime" ] [EndPost by "Melisa Staples" ] From forens-owner Fri Dec 17 18:34:08 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBHNY8RW011858 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBHNY8n5011857 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:34:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: "Robert Parsons" To: Subject: RE: [forens] temp monitoring Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:37:15 -0500 Organization: Indian River Crime Laboratory Message-ID: <001301c4e491$57283460$9000a8c0@IRRCL.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2004 23:34:08.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7AEC270:01C4E490] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id iBHNY7RW011852 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu This seems like record-keeping overkill to me. So long as the minimum temperature is adequate to volatize any flammable/ignitable liquids present in the debris, it doesn't matter whether or not the temperature remains constant. If the temperature setting was high enough to begin with, and if it is still the same (or reasonably close to it) when you return, then its unlikely that anything short of a power outage (which you should have other indications of) would cause any significant temperature changes in the interim. Besides, you have to consider what effects any possible variation in temperature would have, and whether they would have any relevance to your analysis: Will a variation in oven temperature ultimately change the composition/identity of the substances present? - No. Will it impair your ability to identify them assuming you are able to recover them? - No. Can it produce a "false positive"? - No, unless your identification requirements/skills are insufficient to distinguish between true "accelerants" and pyrolysates or innocuous solvents naturally present in innocent household products (in that case a too high temperature might be significant by volatizing additional pyrolysates); but this is much more an issue of quality control in your identification process than it is a question of your recovery procedures. Will it affect your ability to recover flammable/ignitable liquids for identification? - Possibly. If the temperature is inadequate or does not remain adequate for a long enough period of time, then you may have low sample recovery and potentially return a false negative result. But again, if you started with an adequate temperature and finish with one, what could possibly cause a significant change in the interim, except a power outage? Nothing else I can think of, and a power outage would be demonstrated by other electronics in your lab. If you have nothing to indicate an overnight power outage, for example, it would be a simple matter to set up an outage detection sensor of some kind - much simpler and less expensive than continuous temperature monitoring would be. That kind of monitoring is really only needed when temperature maintenance within a certain range is truly crucial, e.g., incubators, evidence preservation refrigerators and freezers, temperature programmed instruments, etc. Simple lab ovens are not among these. So ask yourself: Regardless of what other people may or may not do, is it really NECESSARY to continuously monitor the oven temperature? Does monitoring serve any useful purpose (other than to placate idiots who think EVERYTHING has to be monitored, regardless of whether there is any benefit in doing so)? My answers would be "no," and "no." If your answers would likewise be "no," then don't do it. Check the temperature when the oven has stabilized after putting the evidence container inside, and check it again just before you take the evidence out. That is all that's needed, IMHO. Bob Parsons, F-ABC Forensic Chemist Indian River Crime Laboratory Ft. Pierce, FL -----Original Message----- From: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu [mailto:owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu] On Behalf Of Amy S. Duhaime Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:39 AM To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] temp monitoring List, When performing a fire debris extraction, do labs monitor and document the temperature of the oven throughout the whole extraction? I would be interested in hearing what other labs do. Do you monitor the temperature of your oven? If so, how do you do it? Do you check at predetermined times during the extraction? Or do you have a way to monitor and document that the temperature remained consistent throughout the entire extraction? If so, what do you use to constantly monitor the temp? Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Amy Duhaime RI State Crime Lab asc@uri.edu [EndPost by "Amy S. Duhaime" ] [EndPost by "Robert Parsons" ] From forens-owner Sat Dec 18 09:52:42 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBIEqgRW019837 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:52:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBIEqgmh019836 for forens-outgoing; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:52:42 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: cbasten owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:52:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher J. Basten" To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] forwarded message Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Sterilization Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:02:41 -0700 From: "Laycock, Dave" I'm wondering how various agencies handle incoming evidence with respect to potential biohazard contamination. The folks that are responsible for receiving our evidence wear gloves and lab coats when appropriate, and sterilize the counter tops, but there is still some question about the possibility of contamination of the outer surface of the various containers. Dave Laycock Idaho State Police Forensics [EndPost by "Christopher J. Basten" ] From forens-owner Tue Dec 21 00:09:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBL59sc5013130 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBL59s0G013129 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 00:09:54 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: <000b01c4e71b$4e7f37f0$69adac43@forensicde40f5> From: "John Bowden" To: References: <001301c4e491$57283460$9000a8c0@IRRCL.local> Subject: Re: [forens] temp monitoring Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:09:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1";reply-type=original Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Just a couple of comments. Basically I agree with all of your comments. We are heading for overkill in many areas. There is a very slight possibility that a grossly inaccurate temperature might cause a variation in the relative abundances of the various components. Assuming we are talking about carbon strip absorption, the lighter fractions are preferentially absorbed at first because of their greater volatility (kinetically driven result). After time the heavier fractions are more preferentially absorbed due to a greater affinity, eliminating some of the lighter compounds (thermodynamically driven result). There, that should give them something to worry about, huh? John Bowden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Parsons" To: Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 3:37 PM Subject: RE: [forens] temp monitoring > This seems like record-keeping overkill to me. So long as the minimum > temperature is adequate to volatize any flammable/ignitable liquids > present > in the debris, it doesn't matter whether or not the temperature remains > constant. If the temperature setting was high enough to begin with, and > if > it is still the same (or reasonably close to it) when you return, then its > unlikely that anything short of a power outage (which you should have > other > indications of) would cause any significant temperature changes in the > interim. Besides, you have to consider what effects any possible > variation > in temperature would have, and whether they would have any relevance to > your > analysis: > > Will a variation in oven temperature ultimately change the > composition/identity of the substances present? - No. > > Will it impair your ability to identify them assuming you are able to > recover them? - No. > > Can it produce a "false positive"? - No, unless your identification > requirements/skills are insufficient to distinguish between true > "accelerants" and pyrolysates or innocuous solvents naturally present in > innocent household products (in that case a too high temperature might be > significant by volatizing additional pyrolysates); but this is much more > an > issue of quality control in your identification process than it is a > question of your recovery procedures. > > Will it affect your ability to recover flammable/ignitable liquids for > identification? - Possibly. If the temperature is inadequate or does not > remain adequate for a long enough period of time, then you may have low > sample recovery and potentially return a false negative result. But > again, > if you started with an adequate temperature and finish with one, what > could > possibly cause a significant change in the interim, except a power outage? > Nothing else I can think of, and a power outage would be demonstrated by > other electronics in your lab. If you have nothing to indicate an > overnight > power outage, for example, it would be a simple matter to set up an outage > detection sensor of some kind - much simpler and less expensive than > continuous temperature monitoring would be. That kind of monitoring is > really only needed when temperature maintenance within a certain range is > truly crucial, e.g., incubators, evidence preservation refrigerators and > freezers, temperature programmed instruments, etc. Simple lab ovens are > not > among these. > > So ask yourself: Regardless of what other people may or may not do, is it > really NECESSARY to continuously monitor the oven temperature? Does > monitoring serve any useful purpose (other than to placate idiots who > think > EVERYTHING has to be monitored, regardless of whether there is any benefit > in doing so)? My answers would be "no," and "no." If your answers would > likewise be "no," then don't do it. Check the temperature when the oven > has > stabilized after putting the evidence container inside, and check it again > just before you take the evidence out. That is all that's needed, IMHO. > > Bob Parsons, F-ABC > Forensic Chemist > Indian River Crime Laboratory > Ft. Pierce, FL > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu [mailto:owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu] > On Behalf Of Amy S. Duhaime > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:39 AM > To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu > Subject: [forens] temp monitoring > > List, > > When performing a fire debris extraction, do labs monitor and document the > temperature of the oven throughout the whole extraction? I would be > interested in hearing what other labs do. > > Do you monitor the temperature of your oven? If so, how do you do it? Do > you > check at predetermined times during the extraction? Or do you have a way > to > monitor and document that the temperature remained consistent throughout > the > entire extraction? If so, what do you use to constantly monitor the temp? > > Any input is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Amy Duhaime > RI State Crime Lab > asc@uri.edu > > > > [EndPost by "Amy S. Duhaime" ] > > > [EndPost by "Robert Parsons" ] > [EndPost by "John Bowden" ] From forens-owner Tue Dec 21 09:01:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBLE13c5017436 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBLE13L7017435 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:01:03 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Subject: [forens] Pam Scott/FSST/TAS is out of the office. From: Pam.Scott@fsst.tas.gov.au To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:00:57 +1100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on hobartdr01/TAS(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 22/12/2004 01:00:58 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu I will be out of the office starting 21/12/2004 and will not return until 04/01/2005. I will check emails during this time but otherwise I will respond to your message when I return. If the matter needs attention prior to my return please contact Laszlo Szabo (laszlo.szabo@fsst.tas.gov.au) or Chris McKenzi (chris.mckenzie@fsst.tas.gov.au). [EndPost by Pam.Scott@fsst.tas.gov.au] From forens-owner Tue Dec 21 17:51:40 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBLMpec5027496 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBLMpeqi027495 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:51:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20041221144737.026f2918@pop.kruglaw.com> X-Sender: kim%kruglaw.com@pop.kruglaw.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:49:44 -0800 To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu From: Kim Kruglick Subject: [forens] Fwd: Writer seeking information for fiction novel Mime-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Anyone want to give her a hand? If so, please reply to "Mary Dahlquist" Best regards, Kim Kruglick mailto:kim@kruglaw.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Forensic Resource and Criminal Law Search Site http://www.kruglaw.com >X-MindSpring-Loop: crimescene@kruglaw.com >Subject: Writer seeking information for fiction novel >Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:28:06 -0600 >X-MS-Has-Attach: >X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: >Thread-Topic: Writer seeking information for fiction novel >Thread-Index: AcTnkrM/yKpatM89Q7Oac+HrY6yLgg== >From: "Mary Dahlquist" >To: > >I was wondering if you could answer some research questions or put me in >touch with someone who could answer these questions so I may accurately >represent the scene in my book. > >In my novel, a man is shot and then dumped into a spring-fed lake in >Minnesota in mid-February. His body is recovered just as the spring thaw >is beginning in the end of March. What would the body look like having >been in very cold water for those weeks. >Thanks so much! > >Mary Dahlquist,Workforce Development Specialist >2324 University Avenue West >St. Paul, MN 55114 >651.251.0702 (Direct) >651.641.7223 (Fax) >www.womenventure.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by Kim Kruglick ] From forens-owner Wed Dec 22 13:50:23 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBMIoNc5010428 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBMIoNEd010427 for forens-outgoing; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:50:23 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.3 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:49:30 -0800 From: "Greg Laskowski" To: , Subject: Re: [forens] forwarded message Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Dave, Our laboratory still handles wet, bloody clothing for some agencies. We have a specially designed drying room that can be hosed down and disinfected following drying and packaging. We also have a biohood in that area so that evidence items can be examined especially if they are undergoing decomposition and putrefaction.m All emplyees are trained in universal precautions techiques and wear appropriate protective gear. Greg Laskowski Supervising Criminalist Gregory E. Laskowski Supervising Criminalist, Major Crimes Unit Kern County District Attorney Forensic Science Division 1300 18th Street, 4th Floor Bakersfield, CA 93301 Office Phone: (661) 868-5659 Office FAX: (661) 868-5675 Cellular Phone: (661) 979-5548 e-mail: glaskows@co.kern.ca.us >>> cbasten@statgen.ncsu.edu 12/18/04 6:52 AM >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Sterilization Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:02:41 -0700 From: "Laycock, Dave" I'm wondering how various agencies handle incoming evidence with respect to potential biohazard contamination. The folks that are responsible for receiving our evidence wear gloves and lab coats when appropriate, and sterilize the counter tops, but there is still some question about the possibility of contamination of the outer surface of the various containers. Dave Laycock Idaho State Police Forensics [EndPost by "Christopher J. Basten" ] [EndPost by "Greg Laskowski" ] From forens-owner Wed Dec 22 16:49:37 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBMLnbc5013568 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBMLnbsb013567 for forens-outgoing; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:49:37 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: "Robert Parsons" To: Subject: RE: [forens] temp monitoring Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:52:49 -0500 Organization: Indian River Crime Laboratory Message-ID: <001101c4e870$949a5520$9000a8c0@IRRCL.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01c4e71b$4e7f37f0$69adac43@forensicde40f5> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2004 21:49:38.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[2234E6D0:01C4E870] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id iBMLnac5013562 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Agreed, John. But the issue of preferential recovery (MW bias) is one that exists whether the temperature is constant or not, and is primarily dependant on the temperature CHOSEN to incubate the sample at. Too low a temperature = low recovery of heavy components, while too high a temperature = lessened recovery of light components. The significant issue is in properly selecting the temperature setting for the oven to begin with, and knowing that the temperature you select is the temperature you get (a simple thermometer check tells you this). Once set, there is no reasonable mechanism that would cause significant temperature variation in an undisturbed lab oven; it would require something like a power outage, or someone changing the setting or leaving the oven door open. There are easier and less expensive ways than constant temperature monitoring to guard against those possibilities. So again, constant temperature monitoring really is overkill in my opinion. Checking the temp at the beginning and end of the heating period is perfectly adequate. There is nothing I can see that is to be gained in doing more than that, and I think you agree. Bob Parsons, F-ABC Forensic Chemist Indian River Crime Laboratory Ft. Pierce, FL -----Original Message----- From: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu [mailto:owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu] On Behalf Of John Bowden Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 12:10 AM To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: [forens] temp monitoring Just a couple of comments. Basically I agree with all of your comments. We are heading for overkill in many areas. There is a very slight possibility that a grossly inaccurate temperature might cause a variation in the relative abundances of the various components. Assuming we are talking about carbon strip absorption, the lighter fractions are preferentially absorbed at first because of their greater volatility (kinetically driven result). After time the heavier fractions are more preferentially absorbed due to a greater affinity, eliminating some of the lighter compounds (thermodynamically driven result). There, that should give them something to worry about, huh? John Bowden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Parsons" To: Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 3:37 PM Subject: RE: [forens] temp monitoring > This seems like record-keeping overkill to me. So long as the minimum > temperature is adequate to volatize any flammable/ignitable liquids > present > in the debris, it doesn't matter whether or not the temperature remains > constant. If the temperature setting was high enough to begin with, and > if > it is still the same (or reasonably close to it) when you return, then its > unlikely that anything short of a power outage (which you should have > other > indications of) would cause any significant temperature changes in the > interim. Besides, you have to consider what effects any possible > variation > in temperature would have, and whether they would have any relevance to > your > analysis: > > Will a variation in oven temperature ultimately change the > composition/identity of the substances present? - No. > > Will it impair your ability to identify them assuming you are able to > recover them? - No. > > Can it produce a "false positive"? - No, unless your identification > requirements/skills are insufficient to distinguish between true > "accelerants" and pyrolysates or innocuous solvents naturally present in > innocent household products (in that case a too high temperature might be > significant by volatizing additional pyrolysates); but this is much more > an > issue of quality control in your identification process than it is a > question of your recovery procedures. > > Will it affect your ability to recover flammable/ignitable liquids for > identification? - Possibly. If the temperature is inadequate or does not > remain adequate for a long enough period of time, then you may have low > sample recovery and potentially return a false negative result. But > again, > if you started with an adequate temperature and finish with one, what > could > possibly cause a significant change in the interim, except a power outage? > Nothing else I can think of, and a power outage would be demonstrated by > other electronics in your lab. If you have nothing to indicate an > overnight > power outage, for example, it would be a simple matter to set up an outage > detection sensor of some kind - much simpler and less expensive than > continuous temperature monitoring would be. That kind of monitoring is > really only needed when temperature maintenance within a certain range is > truly crucial, e.g., incubators, evidence preservation refrigerators and > freezers, temperature programmed instruments, etc. Simple lab ovens are > not > among these. > > So ask yourself: Regardless of what other people may or may not do, is it > really NECESSARY to continuously monitor the oven temperature? Does > monitoring serve any useful purpose (other than to placate idiots who > think > EVERYTHING has to be monitored, regardless of whether there is any benefit > in doing so)? My answers would be "no," and "no." If your answers would > likewise be "no," then don't do it. Check the temperature when the oven > has > stabilized after putting the evidence container inside, and check it again > just before you take the evidence out. That is all that's needed, IMHO. > > Bob Parsons, F-ABC > Forensic Chemist > Indian River Crime Laboratory > Ft. Pierce, FL > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu [mailto:owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu] > On Behalf Of Amy S. Duhaime > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:39 AM > To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu > Subject: [forens] temp monitoring > > List, > > When performing a fire debris extraction, do labs monitor and document the > temperature of the oven throughout the whole extraction? I would be > interested in hearing what other labs do. > > Do you monitor the temperature of your oven? If so, how do you do it? Do > you > check at predetermined times during the extraction? Or do you have a way > to > monitor and document that the temperature remained consistent throughout > the > entire extraction? If so, what do you use to constantly monitor the temp? > > Any input is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Amy Duhaime > RI State Crime Lab > asc@uri.edu > > > > [EndPost by "Amy S. Duhaime" ] > > > [EndPost by "Robert Parsons" ] > [EndPost by "John Bowden" ] [EndPost by "Robert Parsons" ] From forens-owner Wed Dec 22 23:17:41 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBN4Hec5017645 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBN4Heiq017644 for forens-outgoing; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:17:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: <09fe01c4e8a6$4ae8c340$2f5f12d0@dwhause> From: "Dave Hause" To: Cc: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20041221144737.026f2918@pop.kruglaw.com> Subject: Re: [forens] Fwd: Writer seeking information for fiction novel Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:48:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu I had a case some years ago of a pilot who went into very deep, very cold, water and wasn't recovered until about 3 weeks later. He looked pristine so my guess is the exemplar case might also. Dave Hause, dwhause@jobe.net Ft. Leonard Wood, MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Kruglick" Anyone want to give her a hand? If so, please reply to "Mary Dahlquist" Best regards, Kim Kruglick mailto:kim@kruglaw.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Forensic Resource and Criminal Law Search Site http://www.kruglaw.com >From: "Mary Dahlquist" >To: > >I was wondering if you could answer some research questions or put me in >touch with someone who could answer these questions so I may accurately >represent the scene in my book. > >In my novel, a man is shot and then dumped into a spring-fed lake in >Minnesota in mid-February. His body is recovered just as the spring thaw >is beginning in the end of March. What would the body look like having >been in very cold water for those weeks. >Thanks so much! > >Mary Dahlquist,Workforce Development Specialist >2324 University Avenue West >St. Paul, MN 55114 >651.251.0702 (Direct) >651.641.7223 (Fax) >www.womenventure.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by Kim Kruglick ] [EndPost by "Dave Hause" ] From forens-owner Thu Dec 23 08:50:55 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBNDotc5021743 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBNDotkL021742 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:50:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.5 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:50:07 -0500 From: "Melisa Staples" To: "<" Subject: [forens] trace analysis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id iBNDosc5021737 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu We have a homicide case where the victims had some sort of white substance oozing from the vaginal/rectal cavities. This substance has been determined to not be semen. The investigators think it may be some sort of lubricant, like A&D Ointment or something, but would like it tested. We no longer perform condom trace analysis, and do not really have a protocol for determining what an "unknown" substance such as this may be. The substance was collected on cotton swabs. Does anyone know of a lab which could help us analyze what this substance could be? Perhaps a private lab or one which performs condom trace analysis. Thanks! Melisa W. Staples Assistant Laboratory Director NHSP Forensic Lab (603) 271-3573 This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. This communication may contain material protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be subject to criminal prosecution. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by telephone at 603-271-3573. You will be reimbursed for reasonable costs incurred in notifying us. [EndPost by "Melisa Staples" ] From forens-owner Thu Dec 23 15:17:56 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBNKHuc5025540 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBNKHuVp025539 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:17:56 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20041223091939.01f0ce68@mail.fsalab.com> X-Sender: pbarnett@fsalab.com@mail.fsalab.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:24:15 -0800 To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu, "<" From: "Peter D. Barnett" Subject: Re: [forens] trace analysis In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Wouldn't it just be simpler to pass a law that makes it illegal for criminals to commit a crime which results in physical evidence for which the state lab does not have an analytical protocol? Of course, that would require publication of the existing protocols which might jeopardize the homeland. Pete Barnett At 05:50 AM 12/23/2004, Melisa Staples wrote: >We have a homicide case where the victims had some sort of white substance >oozing from the vaginal/rectal cavities. This substance has been >determined to not be semen. The investigators think it may be some sort >of lubricant, like A&D Ointment or something, but would like it >tested. We no longer perform condom trace analysis, and do not really >have a protocol for determining what an "unknown" substance such as this >may be. The substance was collected on cotton swabs. Does anyone know of >a lab which could help us analyze what this substance could be? Perhaps a >private lab or one which performs condom trace analysis. Thanks! > >Melisa W. Staples >Assistant Laboratory Director >NHSP Forensic Lab >(603) 271-3573 > >This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >addressed. This communication may contain material protected by law. If >you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for >delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have >received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, >printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be >subject to criminal prosecution. If you have received this e-mail in >error, please immediately notify me by telephone at 603-271-3573. You >will be reimbursed for reasonable costs incurred in notifying us. > > > >[EndPost by "Melisa Staples" ] [EndPost by "Peter D. Barnett" ] From forens-owner Thu Dec 23 18:24:57 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBNNOvc5027265 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:24:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBNNOve9027264 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 18:24:57 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: <001f01c4e946$8e5c6960$6401a8c0@forensicde40f5> From: "John Bowden" To: References: <6.0.0.22.2.20041223091939.01f0ce68@mail.fsalab.com> Subject: Re: [forens] trace analysis Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:24:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain;format=flowed;charset="iso-8859-1";reply-type=response Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Non, now Pete! No need to be so testy during the holiday season. I thought the protocol used to be called CHEMISTRY. One wonders how so many of the great discoveries of chemistry and physics would have been made if the investigators had needed to wait for a "protocol." I can just imagine Madam Curie waiting for a protocol to discover Radium. Of course if there had been a protocol in place she may have named it Polonium in honor of her home country rather than a much less important element. Also, she most likely would not have died from the cancers caused by her exposure. Anyway, to use the adjectives without any of the politically incorrect nouns - Happy, Merry, Joyful, Peaceful. John Bowden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter D. Barnett" To: ; "<" Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [forens] trace analysis > Wouldn't it just be simpler to pass a law that makes it illegal for > criminals to commit a crime which results in physical evidence for which > the state lab does not have an analytical protocol? Of course, that would > require publication of the existing protocols which might jeopardize the > homeland. > > Pete Barnett > > At 05:50 AM 12/23/2004, Melisa Staples wrote: >>We have a homicide case where the victims had some sort of white substance >>oozing from the vaginal/rectal cavities. This substance has been >>determined to not be semen. The investigators think it may be some sort >>of lubricant, like A&D Ointment or something, but would like it tested. >>We no longer perform condom trace analysis, and do not really have a >>protocol for determining what an "unknown" substance such as this may be. >>The substance was collected on cotton swabs. Does anyone know of a lab >>which could help us analyze what this substance could be? Perhaps a >>private lab or one which performs condom trace analysis. Thanks! >> >>Melisa W. Staples >>Assistant Laboratory Director >>NHSP Forensic Lab >>(603) 271-3573 >> >>This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are >>intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >>addressed. This communication may contain material protected by law. If >>you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for >>delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have >>received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, >>printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be >>subject to criminal prosecution. If you have received this e-mail in >>error, please immediately notify me by telephone at 603-271-3573. You >>will be reimbursed for reasonable costs incurred in notifying us. >> >> >> >>[EndPost by "Melisa Staples" ] > > [EndPost by "Peter D. Barnett" ] > [EndPost by "John Bowden" ] From forens-owner Fri Dec 24 09:40:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBOEeOc5002790 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBOEeOoX002789 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:40:24 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=2w3pZUUUH2Z5kZGcTIiYs7GKVSfgI3cz5f5WQHTcI9Yo4D/jDUUJtTLo17KlhkMgGL97CRA9ORs9VcvYwbU/AnBBksv11L98kGgVden8TBgDD4L223FSe+w7xlKK3Fk2tSPox8TM5wPqJyV803derEx2drZ0F5CeAATC5z+37Ag= ; Message-ID: <20041224144017.3311.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 06:40:17 -0800 (PST) From: John Lentini Subject: Re: [forens] trace analysis To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20041223091939.01f0ce68@mail.fsalab.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu As the operator of a private laboratory, I welcome the rejection of all non-drug non-DNA evidence by the public sector laboratories. Give me a call and we can discuss your analytical needs. 770-423-1400. Of course, be aware that while our laboratory has been known to develop new protocols specific to the type of evidence being examined, we have a file closing protocol known as billing. Some laboratory directors object to spending money even more than they object to working on interesting problems. It seems that a non-specific "Standard Practice for the Design of Tests to Determine the Identity of Unknown Substances" might be a useful document for ASTM E30 to prepare. Anyone intersted in having a stab at the first draft? Peter? John Lentini, F-ABC Chairman, ASTM Committee E30 on Forensic Science "Peter D. Barnett" wrote: Wouldn't it just be simpler to pass a law that makes it illegal for criminals to commit a crime which results in physical evidence for which the state lab does not have an analytical protocol? Of course, that would require publication of the existing protocols which might jeopardize the homeland. Pete Barnett At 05:50 AM 12/23/2004, Melisa Staples wrote: >We have a homicide case where the victims had some sort of white substance >oozing from the vaginal/rectal cavities. This substance has been >determined to not be semen. The investigators think it may be some sort >of lubricant, like A&D Ointment or something, but would like it >tested. We no longer perform condom trace analysis, and do not really >have a protocol for determining what an "unknown" substance such as this >may be. The substance was collected on cotton swabs. Does anyone know of >a lab which could help us analyze what this substance could be? Perhaps a >private lab or one which performs condom trace analysis. Thanks! > >Melisa W. Staples >Assistant Laboratory Director >NHSP Forensic Lab >(603) 271-3573 > >This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >addressed. This communication may contain material protected by law. If >you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for >delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have >received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, >printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be >subject to criminal prosecution. If you have received this e-mail in >error, please immediately notify me by telephone at 603-271-3573. You >will be reimbursed for reasonable costs incurred in notifying us. > > > >[EndPost by "Melisa Staples" ] [EndPost by "Peter D. Barnett" ] Nothing worthwhile happens until somebody makes it happen. John J. Lentini, johnlentini@yahoo.com Certified Fire Investigator Fellow, American Board of Criminalistics http://www.atslab.com 800-544-5117 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by John Lentini ] From forens-owner Sun Dec 26 11:20:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBQGKCc5020373 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBQGKCVe020372 for forens-outgoing; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:20:12 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:20:00 -0500 From: LLChannell@aol.com To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] Drug Analysis MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <424470E6.2A621FD8.0B0C91F5@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 67.87.240.87 X-AOL-Language: english Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Do any of you use the ETS Plus for drug analysis? If so, does anyone have a ball-park figure on the cost of this instrument? [EndPost by LLChannell@aol.com] From forens-owner Mon Dec 27 09:55:54 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBREtsc5029313 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBREtsaq029312 for forens-outgoing; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:55:54 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: <41D020A3.465D98E9@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:18:03 +0530 From: Professor Anil Aggrawal Organization: S-299 Greater Kailash-1, New Delhi-110048, India X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anil Aggrawal Subject: [forens] Five new books are available for review Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu 27 December 2004 Dear Sir, The journal office has received the following books from Humana Press for review. 1. Drug Metabolism and Transport - Molecular Methods and Mechanisms (Methods in Pharmacology and Toxicology Series), 1st Edition edited by Lawrence H. Lash, Hardback, acid-free Paper, 6"x9" Humana Press Inc., 999 Riverview Drive, Suite 208, Totowa, New Jersey 07512. Publication Date 14 October 2004. x + 387 pages, ISBN 1-58829-324-6, E-ISBN 1-59259-832-3. Price $125.00 Official site: http://www.humanapress.com/Searchresults.pasp?hdnCatalog=HumanaBooks&txtSearchPhrase=Drug+metabolism+and+transport&txtCatalog=HumanaBooks&go.x=9&go.y=14 2. Inflammation Protocols (Methods in Molecular Biology Series, Vol. 225), 1st Edition edited by Paul G. Winyard and Derek A. Willoughby, Hardback, acid-free Paper, 6"x9" Humana Press Inc., 999 Riverview Drive, Suite 208, Totowa, New Jersey 07512. Publication Date 22 November 2004. xii + 378 pages, ISBN 0-89603-970-6, E-ISBN 1-59259-374-7. Price $99.50 Official site: http://www.humanapress.com/Product.pasp?txtCatalog=HumanaBooks&txtCategory=&txtProductID=0%2D89603%2D970%2D6&isVariant=0 3. Forensic DNA Typing Protocols (Methods in Molecular Biology Series, Vol. 297), 1st Edition edited by Angel Carracedo, Hardback, acid-free Paper, 6"x9" Humana Press Inc., 999 Riverview Drive, Suite 208, Totowa, New Jersey 07512. Publication Date December 2004. x + 280 pages, ISBN 1-58829-264-9, E-ISBN 1-59259-867-6, ISSN 1064-3745. DOI (Digital Object Identifier): 10.1226/1588292649. Price $99.50 Official site: http://www.humanapress.com/Product.pasp?txtCatalog=HumanaBooks&txtCategory=&txtProductID=1%2D58829%2D264%2D9&isVariant=0 4. Forensic and Clinical Applications of Solid Phase Extraction, 1st Edition by Michael J. Telepchak, Thomas F. August and Glynn Chaney, Hardback, acid-free Paper, 7"x10" Humana Press Inc., 999 Riverview Drive, Suite 208, Totowa, New Jersey 07512. Publication Date 28 April 2004. xii + 370 pages, ISBN 0-89603-648-0, E-ISBN 1-59259-292-9. Price $99.50 Official site: http://www.humanapress.com/Product.pasp?txtCatalog=HumanaBooks&txtCategory=&txtProductID=0%2D89603%2D648%2D0&isVariant=0 5. Molecular Toxicology Protocols (Methods in Molecular Biology Series, Vol. 291), 1st Edition edited by Phouthone Keohavong and Stephen G. Grant, Hardback, acid-free Paper, 6"x9" Humana Press Inc., 999 Riverview Drive, Suite 208, Totowa, New Jersey 07512. Publication Date 22 October 2004. xiv + 489 pages, ISBN 1-58829-084-0, E-ISBN 1-59259-840-4, ISSN 1064-3745. Price $125.50 Official site: http://www.humanapress.com/Product.pasp?txtCatalog=HumanaBooks&txtProductID=1-58829-084-0&isVariant=0 If you are interested in reviewing one or more of these books, kindly let me have your latest mailing address and I will have the books sent over to you. The official sites of each of the books has been provided so you can visit the official sites and make a better choice whether you wish to review a particular book or not. Among other things, a detailed table of contents is given for each book on their official site. We will expect a detailed review within about one month of the receipt of the book. Please let me take this opportunity to wish you a very happy and prosperous new year 2005. Thanks. Sincerely, Professor Anil Aggrawal Professor of Forensic Medicine Maulana Azad Medical College S-299 Greater Kailash-1 New Delhi-110048 INDIA Phone: 26465460, 26413101 http://www.geradts.com/~anil dr_anil@hotmail.com *Many people ask me why I chose Forensic Medicine as a career, and I tell them that it is because a forensic man gets the honor of being called when the top doctors have failed!* `\|||/ (@@) ooO (_) Ooo________________________________ _____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____| ___|____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|____ _____|_____Please pardon the intrusion_|____|_____ [EndPost by Professor Anil Aggrawal ] From forens-owner Mon Dec 27 12:40:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBRHexc5001159 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBRHex1j001158 for forens-outgoing; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:40:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-EnvFrom: N2768@lapd.lacity.org Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:38:26 -0800 From: "CHRISTOPHER BREYER" To: Subject: Re: [forens] trace analysis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Didn't I see that article previously published in the Journal of Non-Reproducible Results? Chris Breyer *** It seems that a non-specific "Standard Practice for the Design of Tests to Determine the Identity of Unknown Substances" might be a useful document for ASTM E30 to prepare. Anyone intersted in having a stab at the first draft? Peter? John Lentini, F-ABC Chairman, ASTM Committee E30 on Forensic Science "Peter D. Barnett" wrote: Wouldn't it just be simpler to pass a law that makes it illegal for criminals to commit a crime which results in physical evidence for which the state lab does not have an analytical protocol? Of course, that would require publication of the existing protocols which might jeopardize the homeland. Pete Barnett At 05:50 AM 12/23/2004, Melisa Staples wrote: >We have a homicide case where the victims had some sort of white substance >oozing from the vaginal/rectal cavities. This substance has been >determined to not be semen. The investigators think it may be some sort >of lubricant, like A&D Ointment or something, but would like it >tested. We no longer perform condom trace analysis, and do not really >have a protocol for determining what an "unknown" substance such as this >may be. The substance was collected on cotton swabs. Does anyone know of >a lab which could help us analyze what this substance could be? Perhaps a >private lab or one which performs condom trace analysis. Thanks! > >Melisa W. Staples >Assistant Laboratory Director >NHSP Forensic Lab >(603) 271-3573 > >This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >addressed. This communication may contain material protected by law. If >you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for >delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have >received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, >printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be >subject to criminal prosecution. If you have received this e-mail in >error, please immediately notify me by telephone at 603-271-3573. You >will be reimbursed for reasonable costs incurred in notifying us. > > > >[EndPost by "Melisa Staples" ] [EndPost by "Peter D. Barnett" ] Nothing worthwhile happens until somebody makes it happen. John J. Lentini, johnlentini@yahoo.com Certified Fire Investigator Fellow, American Board of Criminalistics http://www.atslab.com 800-544-5117 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by John Lentini ] [EndPost by "CHRISTOPHER BREYER" ] From forens-owner Mon Dec 27 17:23:29 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBRMNTc5003336 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBRMNTPO003335 for forens-outgoing; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 17:23:29 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 14:22:17 -0800 From: Joel Duncan Subject: Re: [forens] trace analysis To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Yes, but don't bother ordering a re-print. Joel Duncan >>> N2768@lapd.lacity.org 12/27/04 9:38 AM >>> Didn't I see that article previously published in the Journal of Non-Reproducible Results? Chris Breyer *** It seems that a non-specific "Standard Practice for the Design of Tests to Determine the Identity of Unknown Substances" might be a useful document for ASTM E30 to prepare. Anyone intersted in having a stab at the first draft? Peter? John Lentini, F-ABC Chairman, ASTM Committee E30 on Forensic Science "Peter D. Barnett" wrote: Wouldn't it just be simpler to pass a law that makes it illegal for criminals to commit a crime which results in physical evidence for which the state lab does not have an analytical protocol? Of course, that would require publication of the existing protocols which might jeopardize the homeland. Pete Barnett At 05:50 AM 12/23/2004, Melisa Staples wrote: >We have a homicide case where the victims had some sort of white substance >oozing from the vaginal/rectal cavities. This substance has been >determined to not be semen. The investigators think it may be some sort >of lubricant, like A&D Ointment or something, but would like it >tested. We no longer perform condom trace analysis, and do not really >have a protocol for determining what an "unknown" substance such as this >may be. The substance was collected on cotton swabs. Does anyone know of >a lab which could help us analyze what this substance could be? Perhaps a >private lab or one which performs condom trace analysis. Thanks! > >Melisa W. Staples >Assistant Laboratory Director >NHSP Forensic Lab >(603) 271-3573 > >This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >addressed. This communication may contain material protected by law. 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Lentini, johnlentini@yahoo.com Certified Fire Investigator Fellow, American Board of Criminalistics http://www.atslab.com 800-544-5117 --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by John Lentini ] [EndPost by "CHRISTOPHER BREYER" ] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This communication with its contents may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. It is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). Unauthorized interception, review, use or disclosure is prohibited and may violate applicable laws including the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of the communication. [EndPost by Joel Duncan ] From forens-owner Tue Dec 28 12:01:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBSH1Pc5013051 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBSH1PBP013050 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:01:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: cbasten owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:01:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher J. Basten" To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] forwarded message Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Ferenc, Michael" Subject: RE: [forens] Fwd: Writer seeking information for fiction novel Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:16:38 -0500 The body would likely look "normal," that is, like a drowning victim only in the water a day or so. Even in the winter months, postmortem marine depredation might occur and affect the appearance, particularly on unclothed skin surfaces. Alternatively, portions of the body might look perfectly normal while other nearby areas show adipocere-type decomposition. Finally, once removed from icy waters, most of those bodies-like the ones were recover in spring in Maine- will very very rapidly begin to decompose. Michael Ferenc Maine OCME -----Original Message----- From: Dave Hause [mailto:dwhause@jobe.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 10:49 PM To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Cc: MDahlquist@womenventure.org Subject: Re: [forens] Fwd: Writer seeking information for fiction novel I had a case some years ago of a pilot who went into very deep, very cold, water and wasn't recovered until about 3 weeks later. He looked pristine so my guess is the exemplar case might also. Dave Hause, dwhause@jobe.net Ft. Leonard Wood, MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Kruglick" Anyone want to give her a hand? If so, please reply to "Mary Dahlquist" Best regards, Kim Kruglick mailto:kim@kruglaw.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Forensic Resource and Criminal Law Search Site http://www.kruglaw.com >From: "Mary Dahlquist" >To: > >I was wondering if you could answer some research questions or put me in >touch with someone who could answer these questions so I may accurately >represent the scene in my book. > >In my novel, a man is shot and then dumped into a spring-fed lake in >Minnesota in mid-February. His body is recovered just as the spring thaw >is beginning in the end of March. What would the body look like having >been in very cold water for those weeks. >Thanks so much! > >Mary Dahlquist,Workforce Development Specialist >2324 University Avenue West >St. Paul, MN 55114 >651.251.0702 (Direct) >651.641.7223 (Fax) >www.womenventure.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by Kim Kruglick ] [EndPost by "Dave Hause" ] [EndPost by "Christopher J. Basten" ] From forens-owner Tue Dec 28 12:01:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBSH1xc5013103 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:01:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBSH1xhI013102 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:01:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: cbasten owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:01:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher J. Basten" To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] forwarded message Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Thompson, Roger" Subject: RE: [forens] trace analysis Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:14:08 -0500 In cases such as this we have the crime scene search technician collect = any ointments/lubricants from the rape scene for standards of comparison. = The only laboratory we are aware of that conducts condom lubricant analysis = is the FBI they may accept the case as they have the protocols to conduct = the testing. Roger C. Thompson Crime Laboratory Director Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department Crime Laboratory 601 E. Trade St. Charlotte, N. C. 28202-2940 Office: 704-353-1100 Fax: 704-353-0088 E:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0rthompson@cmpd.org --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) message/rfc822 --- [EndPost by "Christopher J. Basten" ] From forens-owner Tue Dec 28 13:05:01 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBSI51c5015717 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBSI5178015716 for forens-outgoing; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:05:01 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: <6987535.1104257090298.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp12> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:04:50 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Mozer To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] LIMS (Beast) Crystal Reports Programming Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CC Mailer IV 3.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu I would like to put together a Forensic Crystal Reports support group. If you or someone at your Porter Lee "Beast" using Forensic Laboratory is doing (or would like to do) Crystal Reports with their LIMS Data, please feel free to contact me. Ted Mozer ted.mozer@gw.njsp.org [EndPost by Theodore Mozer ] From forens-owner Thu Dec 30 16:34:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBULYhc5009867 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBULYh4F009866 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:34:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: SkipnCar@aol.com Message-ID: <46.5fe55810.2f05ce57@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:34:15 EST Subject: [forens] Stark Ferris To: ForSci@aol.com, ascld@lab.fws.gov, forens@statgen.ncsu.edu, Advisors@fainet.org CC: awarren@aafs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Stark Ferris was one of the original members of the ASCLD, a true gentleman and a dedicated sailor. He will be missed. Former Director of the State Police Laboratory Stark Ferriss, died today at 2:30 PM at a Hospice Residence in Stuart, Florida. Stark was born 1/4/31, Joined the NY State Police Division on 4/16/62 and retired 4/16/82. He had been mostly unconscious for several days and just drifted off in his sleep. He will be cremated and his ashes will be cast into the sea off the Saint Lucie Inlet. Services will be private for the family only. Carla ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carla M. Noziglia, MS, FAAFS Forensic Scientist 8513 Northwest 47 Street Coral Springs, FL 33067 954-796-8063, telephone & fax skipncar@aol.com Live Well Laugh Often Love Much --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by SkipnCar@aol.com] From forens-owner Thu Dec 30 18:26:43 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBUNQhc5011677 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBUNQhrj011676 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:26:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: "Robert Parsons" To: Cc: Subject: RE: [forens] LIMS (Beast) Crystal Reports Programming Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:29:48 -0500 Organization: Indian River Crime Laboratory Message-ID: <000901c4eec7$7445a380$9000a8c0@IRRCL.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6987535.1104257090298.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp12> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2004 23:26:29.0758 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD8629E0:01C4EEC6] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu id iBUNQSc5011671 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Ted, We use Justice Trax LIMS+ rather than The B.E.A.S.T., but we use Crystal Reports for all our data mining and also for lab report production. I'm a relative novice when it comes to Crystal Reports designing, but if you think it would be worthwhile I'd be interested in joining your group. Bob Parsons, F-ABC Forensic Chemist Indian River Crime Laboratory Ft. Pierce, FL -----Original Message----- From: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu [mailto:owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu] On Behalf Of Theodore Mozer Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:05 PM To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: [forens] LIMS (Beast) Crystal Reports Programming I would like to put together a Forensic Crystal Reports support group. If you or someone at your Porter Lee "Beast" using Forensic Laboratory is doing (or would like to do) Crystal Reports with their LIMS Data, please feel free to contact me. Ted Mozer ted.mozer@gw.njsp.org [EndPost by Theodore Mozer ] [EndPost by "Robert Parsons" ] From forens-owner Thu Dec 30 19:14:59 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBV0Exc5012336 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBV0Ex8J012335 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:14:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: FORENSIC022@aol.com Message-ID: <1ee.31ffb8a7.2f05f3fc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:14:52 EST Subject: Re: [forens] Stark Ferris To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5000 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu I will have a good thought for Stark and his loved ones. Brad Brown --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by FORENSIC022@aol.com] From forens-owner Thu Dec 30 19:17:04 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBV0H4c5012777 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:17:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBV0H4Ns012776 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:17:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: FORENSIC022@aol.com Message-ID: <104.578b4e4e.2f05f477@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:16:55 EST Subject: Re: [forens] LIMS (Beast) Crystal Reports Programming To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5000 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Ted - Have you considered using Microsoft Word? Brad Brown Forensic Scientist New York State Police Forensic Investigation Center --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by FORENSIC022@aol.com] From forens-owner Thu Dec 30 20:04:24 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBV14Oc5013753 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBV14O92013752 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:04:24 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f Message-ID: <6697895.1104455059745.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp14> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:04:19 -0500 (EST) From: Theodore Mozer To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: Re[2]: [forens] LIMS (Beast) Crystal Reports Programming Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: CC Mailer IV 3.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu We use Word for our analytical reports (Word Templates). I am talking about data mining type reports..... --------------------------------------- Original Email From: FORENSIC022@aol.com Sent: Dec 30, 2004 07:16 PM To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: [forens] LIMS (Beast) Crystal Reports Programming Ted - Have you considered using Microsoft Word? Brad Brown Forensic Scientist New York State Police Forensic Investigation Center --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by FORENSIC022@aol.com] [EndPost by Theodore Mozer ] From forens-owner Thu Dec 30 20:15:39 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBV1Fdc5014246 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBV1FdB7014245 for forens-outgoing; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:15:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: FORENSIC022@aol.com Message-ID: <195.358e9b1e.2f060234@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:15:32 EST Subject: Re: Re[2]: [forens] LIMS (Beast) Crystal Reports Programming To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5000 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Ted - My bad. I see that in your first e-mail now. Brad --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by FORENSIC022@aol.com] From forens-owner Fri Dec 31 13:51:12 2004 Return-Path: Received: from sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBVIpCc5023350 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from MajorDomo@localhost) by sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id iBVIpCaK023349 for forens-outgoing; Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:51:12 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun01pt2-1523.statgen.ncsu.edu: MajorDomo set sender to owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu using -f From: SkipnCar@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 13:51:03 EST Subject: [forens] Stark Feriss MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 X-StripMime: Non-text section removed by stripmime Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-forens@statgen.ncsu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: forens@statgen.ncsu.edu If you wish to offer your condolences, Stark Ferris' widow's address: Mrs. Joann Ferriss 4300 S. E. St. Lucie Blvd. #48 Stuart, FL 34997 Carla ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carla M. Noziglia, MS, FAAFS Forensic Scientist 8513 Northwest 47 Street Coral Springs, FL 33067 954-796-8063, telephone & fax skipncar@aol.com Live Well Laugh Often Love Much --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- [EndPost by SkipnCar@aol.com]